Climate change Skeptics baffled by CNN converage of "climategate"

[pixikill]

Originally Posted by Mars S

Actually pilo, the people who've observed the dynamism of the earth don't need "scientists" to tell them that there are volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis.
Average people provide the best observations. They observe with a variety of senses and unlike instruments that only measure some change (dynamism) people feel.
I note that the predictions of the experts are wrong every year with respect to storms. No one can reliably predict weather over more than 3 days. They can't predict it a year out and they can't predict it in a century. No one can do much better than "it's going to be a cold winter" with any degree of accuracy. If NOAA claims the global average goes up a micro-degree you don't know if it's because the "scientists" excluded numbers that they didn't like.
If earth is in a warming cycle, tell me who can do something about it, besides taxing people for living. It'd be an amazing transfer of wealth...

It surely looks like the guys you trust are corrupt and the data you hold so dear is too. You don't know what's real or not.

Curious thing though, you get up on your hindlegs and demand the bona fides of anyone who dares to question the graphs. Example: your recent exchanges about Lord Monckton. All you know is that he's a skeptic and evidently a very-well informed one. You decided he's not a valid opinion based on the fact that he challenged the gw/cc camp.

You couldn't dissect his essay, you needed someone else to do that and you don't know if their complaints are valid.

I recognize that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but at least learn to mock me with some wit.

i know it, you know it, we all know it; pilo shits all over you, marcie.
hes wittier. cleverer, vastly more knowledgeable and very patient with empty vessels like yourself.
i bet hes even handsome.

[Voice of Reason]

So rather than face the facts and admit your heroes have feet of clay -- er, rather, are total frauds that is -- you spin up ridicule and mock people who have been correct all along in assessing AGW as junk science.

Fake but accurate is the new byline? Nice to meet you, Mr. Rather.

[pilobolus]

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

So rather than face the facts and admit your heroes have feet of clay -- er, rather, are total frauds that is -- you spin up ridicule and mock people who have been correct all along in assessing AGW as junk science.

Fake but accurate is the new byline? Nice to meet you, Mr. Rather.

Heroes? Apparently, you have not been reading my responses in other threads; I am willing to throw them to the dogs if they cannot adequately explain their emails...I think some of them are unforgivable if we can trust the unknown source that posted them and eventually read them in context.

Funny how they are the genuine article to you and yet you (1) don't know the context, (2) don't know of they have been manipulated (3) fail to appreciate that this may doom only one of many lines of evidence.

You say that I ridicule and mock those those that have been correct, but all I have asked is, time and time again, to explain the record and why it appears to be different now than in half a million years of natural cycles? Sure, I could be wrong, but no one ever answers because you have already decided...and it appears that you have decided that all of science is colluding to destroy our economy! Think about that for a moment, would you?

yes, I ridicule pseudo science institutions that create their own journals in order to get their word out, but I tell you, if they created something that better explained observation, they'd be published and cited...

I really think the difference between you and me is that I am willing to be shown to be wrong, but you seem to be in a battle against a global conspiracy!

[Omega]

Pilo you rule.

[Voice of Reason]

Yeah, I was mistaken, I misspoke, I meant 'idols.'

Originally Posted by pilobolus

Heroes? Apparently, you have not been reading my responses in other threads; I am willing to throw them to the dogs if they cannot adequately explain their emails...I think some of them are unforgivable if we can trust the unknown source that posted them and eventually read them in context.

Funny how they are the genuine article to you and yet you (1) don't know the context, (2) don't know of they have been manipulated (3) fail to appreciate that this may doom only one of many lines of evidence.

You say that I ridicule and mock those those that have been correct, but all I have asked is, time and time again, to explain the record and why it appears to be different now than in half a million years of natural cycles? Sure, I could be wrong, but no one ever answers because you have already decided...and it appears that you have decided that all of science is colluding to destroy our economy! Think about that for a moment, would you?

yes, I ridicule pseudo science institutions that create their own journals in order to get their word out, but I tell you, if they created something that better explained observation, they'd be published and cited...

I really think the difference between you and me is that I am willing to be shown to be wrong, but you seem to be in a battle against a global conspiracy!

The science is settled and it's in collusion to destroy Truth! What an odd role for science.

On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but--which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This "double ethical bind" we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.

"Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."
Quote & requote: "Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."

This is science? This is the language of a scientist?

Sounds a little more like politics to me.

[Screw Hollywood]

Again, I'm not quite sure what all the hubbub is about.... CNN has been trying to be Fox for quite some time now.....

[pilobolus]

Originally Posted by Screw Hollywood

Again, I'm not quite sure what all the hubbub is about.... CNN has been trying to be Fox for quite some time now.....

I think my "joke" was in regard to several posters making the assertion that this news item would never see the light of day in the main stream media despite it having done so 48 hours or so before these conspiratorial claims were being made.

That is all.

[Mars S]

Originally Posted by pilobolus

I think my "joke" was in regard to several posters making the assertion that this news item would never see the light of day in the main stream media despite it having done so 48 hours or so before these conspiratorial claims were being made.

That is all.

that's more evidence of a conspiracy to keep corrupt climate science from seeing the light of day so that nobody questions the dogma of the church of global warming.
You're gullible and you just lost any scrap of integrity you had...

[jomomma]

Originally Posted by pilobolus

I think my "joke" was in regard to several posters making the assertion that this news item would never see the light of day in the main stream media despite it having done so 48 hours or so before these conspiratorial claims were being made.

That is all.

Link?

[pilobolus]

Originally Posted by jomomma

Link?

Yesterday. Nov 25

Originally Posted by Noovuss

New ClimateGate Discovery: Hiding The Decline[/URL][/B]

Posted by: Curt @ 11:29 am
I’m not surprised that the MSM is no where to be found on ClimateGate, but where are the scientists? Their journals and magazines? Why are they silent especially after this latest bombshell of a discovery

CNN posted the story on the 23rd.

see: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/23/hacker.climate/index.html

that is two days...roughly 48 hours, as stated.