Its Pakistan Stupid!

[SmokedYourDSM]

Lou, bman, NYC and others should enjoy....
im surprised this is coming from a republican source, lol....

It's Pakistan, Stupid!
By Paul Sperry
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 6, 2005

Law enforcement has a term for the period after a crisis when things revert to norm -- condition white. Well, the American people are just about there, three-and-a-half years after the 9/11 attacks.

But as the media obsess over Michael Jackson's favorite lubricants and Paula Abdul's dalliances with idol wannabes, al-Qaida is "very active" recruiting and planning to attack the United States again. "As months and years pass," Vice President Dick Cheney warns, "they are hoping that our country will grow complacent" and forget the horror of 9/11. And they're getting their wish, judging from the picayune issues that are catching the nation's attention now.

Cheney echoed President Bush's own warning a few days earlier to resist the urge to lower our guard. "One of my concerns after September the 11th is the farther away we got from September the 11th, the more relaxed we would all become and assume that there wasn't an enemy out there ready to hit us," Bush asserted.



Do they know something we don't? Short answer: yes.



Behind the scenes, homeland security officials are wringing their hands over intelligence indicating al-Qaida is preparing to attack major American cities, including Washington, using Pakistani nationals and possibly Pakistani-Americans.



Internal Department of Homeland Security documents I've obtained show officials fear Pakistan-based al-Qaida may be sending terrorists our way, including ones trained in terror camps up and running inside Pakistan -- that's right, Pakistan. The terror-training camps we shut down in Afghanistan are now open for business on the other side of the border, despite Islamabad's apparent efforts to crack down on them.



According to the closely held intelligence bulletins, officials worry Pakistanis trained in the camps are trying to sneak into America to carry out terrorist attacks. In fact, U.S. border authorities are reminded each day in shift musters that Pakistanis pose the No. 1 terrorist threat to America right now. And for the past several months, they have been under orders to increase scrutiny of travelers of Pakistani origin.



The latest advisory puts authorities on high alert for Pakistani terrorists trying to enter the U.S. with fake British passports.



"A number of Pakistani-based young men in their 20's may be traveling to the U.S. with altered United Kingdom passports in order to engage in terrorist-related activity," says the highly sensitive DHS action memo.

"Of most interest may be individuals fitting this description traveling to Washington D.C., Houston, Chicago or New York."



The FBI says al-Qaida leaders -- many of whom are believed to be hiding in Pakistan, as evidenced most recently by the capture there of senior operative Abu Farraj al-Libbi -- have discussed plans for a 9/11-type attack in which hijackers would board planes in Britain so they wouldn't have to use U.S. visas. Customs inspectors are questioning all male Pakistani travelers between the ages of 18 and 35 bearing British passports, as part of the latest DHS directive known as Intelligence Driven Special Operation #2005-07.



Even Pakistani-Americans have been subjected to special screening.



Fearing some may be returning from terrorist camps in their ancestral homeland, customs officials have been directed to not only question them about their trip and activities but to also search their arms and legs for signs of having had terrorist training. They've been told to look for anything from rope burns to bruises to possible injuries suffered from using firearms or explosives. The body searches stopped after the Pakistani Embassy complained, but they are still being asked a battery of questions.



"Many of the individuals trained in the Pakistani camps are destined to commit illegal activities in the United States," says the two-page DHS warning that launched IDSO #2004-022. (Click here to view page one and page two, parts of which I have redacted to protect some of the more sensitive countermeasures.)



The unusual steps show how desperate homeland security officials are to disrupt what they believe is a major attack planned by terrorists of Pakistani origin.



At the same time, U.S. immigration authorities are targeting Pakistanis living illegally in America for deportation. Since 9/11, they've rounded up and removed three times more Pakistani absconders than they did during the comparable period before 9/11. DHS data also show the number of Pakistani removals dwarfs those of illegals from all other Muslim nations.



Pakistanis account for most of the OTMs -- other than Mexicans – crossing the U.S. border with Mexico illegally from countries considered high risk for terrorism. And officials fear some may try to smuggle nuclear or radiological weapons across the porous border into America.



Osama bin Laden, who has long sought a nuclear weapon or radioactive materials to make a so-called dirty bomb, recently secured from a Saudi cleric a religious ruling giving him the green light to use nuclear weapons against Americans. He and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, along with much of al-Qaida's inner circle, are thought to be hiding in Pakistan's northern badlands. In fact, they've recently used couriers to deliver video- and audio-taped messages to Al-Jazeera TV's bureaus in Islamabad and Karachi. And just yesterday it was announced that one of their top operatives --al-Libbi -- was captured in that same badlands area.



Pakistan, which husbanded al-Qaida and served as a base of operations for the 9/11 plotters, has long been a hotbed of terrorist activity. The war on terror started in Pakistan, and many officials believe it will end there.



But for that to happen, they say Bush must pressure Islamabad to shut down the terrorist camps in Pakistan, because U.S. forces can't do it unilaterally. Islamabad refuses to allow our troops based in Afghanistan to cross the border into neighboring Pakistan.



After the 9/11 attacks, President Bush demanded the Taliban close terror camps in Afghanistan. On Sept. 20, 2001, he warned: "Tonight the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban ... Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan."



Yet Pakistan, the cradle of the Taliban movement, gets no such ultimatums regarding its own terror camps. Too be sure, Islamabad cut formal ties with the Taliban after 9/11, and has vowed to crack down on terrorists in its country. But the seeming double standard over the camps still gripes law enforcement here.



"What gets me is while we were going after the Taliban in Afghanistan, there were a lot of training camps in Pakistan. I mean, there was like a ton. That was where the terrorists were getting most of their training -- in Pakistan -- and they're still getting training there," says John M. Cole, who until last year worked at FBI headquarters as program manager for foreign intelligence investigations covering Pakistan, India and Afghanistan.



While the arrest of al-Libbi was a blow to al-Qaida and a win for our side, untold numbers of terrorists are still plotting and training inside Pakistan -- and preparing to launch attacks against America. Cole and others don't understand why Washington is taking the unnecessary risk of trying to catch the bad guys here when Islamabad could be doing more to stop them over there -- or at least letting our troops help stop them.



Sperry, a Hoover Institution media fellow and Investor's Business Daily veteran, is author of the just-released book, INFILTRATION: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington (Nelson Current, 2005). He can be reached at sperry@sperryfiles.com.

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[Bman]

I've given up talking about Pakistan.. no one cares.. They're the country that worked with the Saudis to pull off 9/11 and they continue to harbor terrorists.. its not even disputed..

This "Libbi" guy was arrested for ONE REASON and one reason only: He tried to kill Musharraff... That's the only reason the Pakis went after him


Until people in this country wake up and vote out politicians who support PaKistan, nothing will change

Bman

[exitwound]

I've given up talking about Pakistan.. no one cares.. They're the country that worked with the Saudis to pull off 9/11 and they continue to harbor terrorists.. its not even disputed..

This "Libbi" guy was arrested for ONE REASON and one reason only: He tried to kill Musharraff... That's the only reason the Pakis went after him


Until people in this country wake up and vote out politicians who support PaKistan, nothing will change

Bman

Don't be so sure that no one cares. Personally I think either the gov't or a major private think-tank should hire a bunch of us IH'ers to do analysis and make periodic press releases about the kinds of things we talk about on here. It would do the public good, and would be great exposure for whoever ran the organization....

[THX1138]

Don't be so sure that no one cares. Personally I think either the gov't or a major private think-tank should hire a bunch of us IH'ers to do analysis and make periodic press releases about the kinds of things we talk about on here. It would do the public good, and would be great exposure for whoever ran the organization....


It's been suggested that a periodiocal containing IH information be created.

It could just be topics discussed here that are better formatted and polished to remove some of the socially objectionable material and Lotimer's Avatar.

Maybe just a Blog site would do it...

[lotimer]

Lotimer's Avatar.



The more homophobes like you bitch about my avatar the longer it stays. It would've been gone weeks ago if nobody had bitched about it.

I bet you'd have no quarrel with an image of two females kissing.. hypocrite.

[Rightwingnut]

The more homophobes like you bitch about my avatar the longer it stays. It would've been gone weeks ago if nobody had bitched about it.

I bet you'd have no quarrel with an image of who females kissing.. hypocrite.

Now thats not fair Loti. Men are ugly. Women are not. Therefore it stands to reason that two woman kissing is hot, while two men kissing is boring.

[SmokedYourDSM]

The more homophobes like you bitch about my avatar the longer it stays. It would've been gone weeks ago if nobody had bitched about it.

I bet you'd have no quarrel with an image of who females kissing.. hypocrite.

And we know how much *I* hate to agree with lotimer, but he is 100% correct. Possibly you don't like seeing it because it's something Lotimer wants and has, and you want it as well but know your ignorant friends will beat you for coming out of the closet ;)
After all, everyone hates the kid at school who has the cool thing they want.
Maybe you're just gay as welll THX?

edit: loti, i greend ya on that one, who would have though :)

[SmokedYourDSM]

Now thats not fair Loti. Men are ugly. Women are not. Therefore it stands to reason that two woman kissing is hot, while two men kissing is boring.

yes rwn, but to Loti, men kissing is hot. It's his preference... who cares if he likes the skin flute, theres more bearded clam for us than!

[Rightwingnut]

yes rwn, but to Loti, men kissing is hot. It's his preference... who cares if he likes the skin flute, theres more bearded clam for us than!

I dont have a problem with his preference..I just want him to understand that to the average hetero male, preferring the site of two women hamming tongues down each others throats to tow men playing tonsil tickle is not hypocrisy.

And your right. MORE FOR US!

errr..more for you I mean. I am married.

Huzzah!

[SmokedYourDSM]

lol, im engaged...
but my girl likes the fuzzy taco to sometimes ;)

[Rightwingnut]

lol, im engaged...
but my girl likes the fuzzy taco to sometimes ;)

*walks away in a have of envy*

[SmokedYourDSM]

You'd be surprised....
a recent poll taken states over 50% of women have had a sexual experience with another woman...
they may not show that side often, but you girls are FREAKS ;)

[THX1138]

And we know how much *I* hate to agree with lotimer, but he is 100% correct. Possibly you don't like seeing it because it's something Lotimer wants and has, and you want it as well but know your ignorant friends will beat you for coming out of the closet ;)
After all, everyone hates the kid at school who has the cool thing they want.
Maybe you're just gay as welll THX?

edit: loti, i greend ya on that one, who would have though :)

Yeah, I jealous about the kid who has everything, like these two lovers:

[Spectre]

I gotta agree man. I'm a rather outspoken person here for gay rights and I have a couple of gay friends but that avatar really makes me fight not to gag out loud some days. I don't know, I mean it's gotta be some innate thing or something but it just really repulses me. To each their own though, I mean it is your right to have whatever you want as an av.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Wow, Those Guys Are Super Hot Thx! Thanks, Im Gonna Go Spank It Now!

[SmokedYourDSM]

furthermore, why the HELL would you have an image like that on your computer, closet-boy?

[Spectre]

.....:food_04:

[SmokedYourDSM]

furthermore, why the HELL would you have an image like that on your computer, closet-boy?

im not joking, click properties on that image.
its not a linked image, its hosted.
meaning he must have uploaded it.

The closet doors open THX... come on, take a step outside...

[THX1138]

im not joking, click properties on that image.
its not a linked image, its hosted.
meaning he must have uploaded it.

The closet doors open THX... come on, take a step outside...

No thanks, joining you and Lotimer ain't my style. I've got no love for ass smell and man sweat.

My point was the avatar is simply over the top in regards to good taste. That's the problem with some gays, they are all about shocking and repulsing and then wonder why people are shocked and repulsed.

[SmokedYourDSM]

dude, its known i have a fiance...
it's called being comfortable enough with my OWN sexuality that i do not give a fuck about others....
you refused to answer the question.
WHY is that picture on YOUR computer?

[SmokedYourDSM]

Oh, because this message board NEVER goes over the top and is ALWAYS in good taste....
shall i go through all of your posts.. will i find anything in bad taste.... i'd put my money on it.
so why's it ok for you, but not for him?
;)

[THX1138]

dude, its known i have a fiance...
it's called being comfortable enough with my OWN sexuality that i do not give a fuck about others....
you refused to answer the question.
WHY is that picture on YOUR computer?

Because I cut it from this...Just a simple search found it

[SmokedYourDSM]

so you could have just done that to begin with. instead you took the time to edit it.. i think someone had an agenda... you wanted more time with those hot tub-os ;)

[THX1138]

dude, its known i have a fiance...


A little defensive aren't we? Is it Eve or Steve?

[SmokedYourDSM]

Actually, its Sparky, a tibeten herding goat.
I don't do humans anymore.
I like hearing "beehhhhhhh"

[lotimer]

No thanks, joining you and Lotimer ain't my style. I've got no love for ass smell and man sweat.

My point was the avatar is simply over the top in regards to good taste. That's the problem with some gays, they are all about shocking and repulsing and then wonder why people are shocked and repulsed.


And women don't sweat? Their asses don't ever smell? LOL you crack me up. Fuck your "taste." Fuck your social constructs, you can shove them up your ass (no pun intended). :)

For the record, I'm bisexual, and have had relations with both genders.

[THX1138]

Actually, its Sparky, a tibeten herding goat.
I don't do humans anymore.
I like hearing "beehhhhhhh"

To each his own.

I was never questioning that, just the hammering by the visual.

I really don't care.

[SmokedYourDSM]

"women dont smell"
actually, when i was 16 in high school and didnt have very high standards, i lost my virginity to a senior named Summer.
Sure, she was hot, but her pussy smelt like Oscar the Grouch!

[THX1138]

And women don't sweat? Their asses don't ever smell? LOL you crack me up. Fuck your "taste." Fuck your social constructs, you can shove them up your ass (no pun intended). :)

For the record, I'm bisexual, and have had relations with both genders.

What I said was "I've got no love for ass smell and man sweat".

Meaning I don't like man sweat, you do. More power to you, I just don't share your taste.

[Lou]

Lou, bman, NYC and others should enjoy....
im surprised this is coming from a republican source, lol....

It's Pakistan, Stupid!
By Paul Sperry
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 6, 2005

Law enforcement has a term for the period after a crisis when things revert to norm -- condition white. Well, the American people are just about there, three-and-a-half years after the 9/11 attacks.

But as the media obsess over Michael Jackson's favorite lubricants and Paula Abdul's dalliances with idol wannabes, al-Qaida is "very active" recruiting and planning to attack the United States again. "As months and years pass," Vice President Dick Cheney warns, "they are hoping that our country will grow complacent" and forget the horror of 9/11. And they're getting their wish, judging from the picayune issues that are catching the nation's attention now.

Cheney echoed President Bush's own warning a few days earlier to resist the urge to lower our guard. "One of my concerns after September the 11th is the farther away we got from September the 11th, the more relaxed we would all become and assume that there wasn't an enemy out there ready to hit us," Bush asserted.



Do they know something we don't? Short answer: yes.



Behind the scenes, homeland security officials are wringing their hands over intelligence indicating al-Qaida is preparing to attack major American cities, including Washington, using Pakistani nationals and possibly Pakistani-Americans.



Internal Department of Homeland Security documents I've obtained show officials fear Pakistan-based al-Qaida may be sending terrorists our way, including ones trained in terror camps up and running inside Pakistan -- that's right, Pakistan. The terror-training camps we shut down in Afghanistan are now open for business on the other side of the border, despite Islamabad's apparent efforts to crack down on them.



According to the closely held intelligence bulletins, officials worry Pakistanis trained in the camps are trying to sneak into America to carry out terrorist attacks. In fact, U.S. border authorities are reminded each day in shift musters that Pakistanis pose the No. 1 terrorist threat to America right now. And for the past several months, they have been under orders to increase scrutiny of travelers of Pakistani origin.



The latest advisory puts authorities on high alert for Pakistani terrorists trying to enter the U.S. with fake British passports.



"A number of Pakistani-based young men in their 20's may be traveling to the U.S. with altered United Kingdom passports in order to engage in terrorist-related activity," says the highly sensitive DHS action memo.

"Of most interest may be individuals fitting this description traveling to Washington D.C., Houston, Chicago or New York."



The FBI says al-Qaida leaders -- many of whom are believed to be hiding in Pakistan, as evidenced most recently by the capture there of senior operative Abu Farraj al-Libbi -- have discussed plans for a 9/11-type attack in which hijackers would board planes in Britain so they wouldn't have to use U.S. visas. Customs inspectors are questioning all male Pakistani travelers between the ages of 18 and 35 bearing British passports, as part of the latest DHS directive known as Intelligence Driven Special Operation #2005-07.



Even Pakistani-Americans have been subjected to special screening.



Fearing some may be returning from terrorist camps in their ancestral homeland, customs officials have been directed to not only question them about their trip and activities but to also search their arms and legs for signs of having had terrorist training. They've been told to look for anything from rope burns to bruises to possible injuries suffered from using firearms or explosives. The body searches stopped after the Pakistani Embassy complained, but they are still being asked a battery of questions.



"Many of the individuals trained in the Pakistani camps are destined to commit illegal activities in the United States," says the two-page DHS warning that launched IDSO #2004-022. (Click here to view page one and page two, parts of which I have redacted to protect some of the more sensitive countermeasures.)



The unusual steps show how desperate homeland security officials are to disrupt what they believe is a major attack planned by terrorists of Pakistani origin.



At the same time, U.S. immigration authorities are targeting Pakistanis living illegally in America for deportation. Since 9/11, they've rounded up and removed three times more Pakistani absconders than they did during the comparable period before 9/11. DHS data also show the number of Pakistani removals dwarfs those of illegals from all other Muslim nations.



Pakistanis account for most of the OTMs -- other than Mexicans – crossing the U.S. border with Mexico illegally from countries considered high risk for terrorism. And officials fear some may try to smuggle nuclear or radiological weapons across the porous border into America.



Osama bin Laden, who has long sought a nuclear weapon or radioactive materials to make a so-called dirty bomb, recently secured from a Saudi cleric a religious ruling giving him the green light to use nuclear weapons against Americans. He and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, along with much of al-Qaida's inner circle, are thought to be hiding in Pakistan's northern badlands. In fact, they've recently used couriers to deliver video- and audio-taped messages to Al-Jazeera TV's bureaus in Islamabad and Karachi. And just yesterday it was announced that one of their top operatives --al-Libbi -- was captured in that same badlands area.



Pakistan, which husbanded al-Qaida and served as a base of operations for the 9/11 plotters, has long been a hotbed of terrorist activity. The war on terror started in Pakistan, and many officials believe it will end there.



But for that to happen, they say Bush must pressure Islamabad to shut down the terrorist camps in Pakistan, because U.S. forces can't do it unilaterally. Islamabad refuses to allow our troops based in Afghanistan to cross the border into neighboring Pakistan.



After the 9/11 attacks, President Bush demanded the Taliban close terror camps in Afghanistan. On Sept. 20, 2001, he warned: "Tonight the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban ... Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan."



Yet Pakistan, the cradle of the Taliban movement, gets no such ultimatums regarding its own terror camps. Too be sure, Islamabad cut formal ties with the Taliban after 9/11, and has vowed to crack down on terrorists in its country. But the seeming double standard over the camps still gripes law enforcement here.



"What gets me is while we were going after the Taliban in Afghanistan, there were a lot of training camps in Pakistan. I mean, there was like a ton. That was where the terrorists were getting most of their training -- in Pakistan -- and they're still getting training there," says John M. Cole, who until last year worked at FBI headquarters as program manager for foreign intelligence investigations covering Pakistan, India and Afghanistan.



While the arrest of al-Libbi was a blow to al-Qaida and a win for our side, untold numbers of terrorists are still plotting and training inside Pakistan -- and preparing to launch attacks against America. Cole and others don't understand why Washington is taking the unnecessary risk of trying to catch the bad guys here when Islamabad could be doing more to stop them over there -- or at least letting our troops help stop them.



Sperry, a Hoover Institution media fellow and Investor's Business Daily veteran, is author of the just-released book, INFILTRATION: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington (Nelson Current, 2005). He can be reached at sperry@sperryfiles.com.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?

A reminder of the subject matter of the thread.

[SmokedYourDSM]

lol, sorry to derail my own thread... it's friday and i had a couple jager shots on lunch break from work ;)

edit: will add more input if my fiance isn't home when i get home from work....

[Catwoman]

A reminder of the subject matter of the thread.
Thank you Lou.

[involved]

That depends,I find men much more attractive.I am reversing your statement for my own purposes. :food_01:
Now thats not fair Loti. Men are ugly. Women are not. Therefore it stands to reason that two woman kissing is hot, while two men kissing is boring.

[Catwoman]

I've given up talking about Pakistan.. no one cares.. They're the country that worked with the Saudis to pull off 9/11 and they continue to harbor terrorists.. its not even disputed..

This "Libbi" guy was arrested for ONE REASON and one reason only: He tried to kill Musharraff... That's the only reason the Pakis went after him


Until people in this country wake up and vote out politicians who support PaKistan, nothing will change

Bman

Why not care? I will openly annouce that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, (the latter's madrasses largely being financed by Saudi Arabia), represents the largest theoligical Islamists threat to the US.

9/11 happened. The US needed a staging site for the land locked Afganistan.
What would you have suggested? Overtaking both Pakistan and Afganistan simultaneosly?

You see what happened this week in Egypt? The Islamic Brotherhood staged large demonstration all in the guise of democratic reform. We all know the reform they have in mind was anything but democratic, rather the return of sharia law.

Just a couple of thoughts about unintended blowback. Oh regarding KSA, how does $5 gas sound to you, much less the effect on our economy. Reform may sound great, and I am I for democracy, but the other side is using it to their advantage. Oh and to be totally PC incorrect tonight, what about the reform of Wahibism? You think that is going to come externally from infidels, either republican or democratic?

[lotimer]

Why not care? I will openly annouce that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, (the latter's madrasses largely being financed by Saudi Arabia), represents the largest theoligical Islamists threat to the US.

9/11 happened. The US needed a staging site for the land locked Afganistan.
What would you have suggested? Overtaking both Pakistan and Afganistan simultaneosly?

You see what happened this week in Egypt? The Islamic Brotherhood staged large demonstration all in the guise of democratic reform. We all know the reform they have in mind was anything but democratic, rather the return of sharia law.

Just a couple of thoughts about unintended blowback. Oh regarding KSA, how does $5 gas sound to you, much less the effect on our economy. Reform may sound great, and I am I for democracy, but the other side is using it to their advantage. Oh and to be totally PC incorrect tonight, what about the reform of Wahibism? You think that is going to come externally from infidels, either republican or democratic?

As long as we are dependent on Saudi Arabia's oil (Bush is pretty much their slave) then Wahhabism is flourish. There are always Saudi royals willing to open their pocketbooks to Wahhabi scholars... and certain politicians here at home willing to open their pocketbooks to Saudi royals.

[Catwoman]

As long as we are dependent on Saudi Arabia's oil (Bush is pretty much their slave) then Wahhabism is flourish. There are always Saudi royals willing to open their pocketbooks to Wahhabi scholars... and certain politicians here at home willing to open their pocketbooks to Saudi royals.
One of the few points we will ever agree on. :)
I saw a hybrid car last summer in operation that cost $10 in gas To drive from Maine to NY. Unfortunately, it was a Japanese import. Give detroit a few years to catch up. Japanese or not, it WILL be my next car.

[Sardonic]

Now thats not fair Loti. Men are ugly. Women are not. Therefore it stands to reason that two woman kissing is hot, while two men kissing is boring.

Everytime I look at his avtar, I get the urge to say something.

<---- Then I think, duhhhh.

Take the good with the bad.

[OldGit]

Don't be so sure that no one cares. Personally I think either the gov't or a major private think-tank should hire a bunch of us IH'ers to do analysis and make periodic press releases about the kinds of things we talk about on here. It would do the public good, and would be great exposure for whoever ran the organization....

Oh - that's a hugely realistic idea. I mean the Pentagon would realy sit uo straight if some IH'ers sent then memos about who they needed to target next, wouldn't they?

[OldGit]

Everytime I look at his avtar, I get the urge to say something.

<---- Then I think, duhhhh.

Take the good with the bad.

I turned off avatars in my options because of that avatar. I don't mind what people do in private, I just don't want to watch them doing it on my computer screen.... Call me 'old fashioned'....

[Catwoman]

Oh - that's a hugely realistic idea. I mean the Pentagon would realy sit uo straight if some IH'ers sent then memos about who they needed to target next, wouldn't they?
Especially if it were written like this. Translation please?

[Bman]

Why not care? I will openly annouce that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, (the latter's madrasses largely being financed by Saudi Arabia), represents the largest theoligical Islamists threat to the US.

Not just theological..how about life and death? If there is one country that could give terrorists a nuke, which one would it be do you suppose??



9/11 happened. The US needed a staging site for the land locked Afganistan.
What would you have suggested? Overtaking both Pakistan and Afganistan simultaneosly?

What was the point of attacking Afghanistan again?? Walk me through it.




You see what happened this week in Egypt? The Islamic Brotherhood staged large demonstration all in the guise of democratic reform. We all know the reform they have in mind was anything but democratic, rather the return of sharia law.

WHEN have I EVER advocated pushing "democracy" on anyone? That's BUSH's policy, ma'am... NOT MINE... I don't advocate the US delving into the operations of foreign governments... Its none of our business... unless of course, they make it our business.. by attacking us. Then we should respond by killing them.. without regard to what sort of government they have.




Just a couple of thoughts about unintended blowback. Oh regarding KSA, how does $5 gas sound to you, much less the effect on our economy. Reform may sound great, and I am I for democracy, but the other side is using it to their advantage. Oh and to be totally PC incorrect tonight, what about the reform of Wahibism? You think that is going to come externally from infidels, either republican or democratic?


What you're saying is, you want to be safe from "terrorism", but not if attacking those that attack us, would result in economic hardship... I'm glad people didn't have that opinion in World War II

I'm NOT advocating attacking Saudi Arabia at this point... I haven't seen enough evidence to suggest 9/11 was state sponsored by Saudi Arabia.. there is SOME evidence to suggest it however, and our President has classified other evidence that some Senators are suggesting would "confirm" it...

If that evidence does exist, then of course I would support attacking Saudi Arabia.... If gasoline goes to $10 a gallon, so what?? That's called making a SACRIFICE..

What I don't support is attacking a country like Iraq... that was not a threat and did NOT support Al Qaeda or have a role in 9/11.. You want to talk about a sacrifice that I am NOT willing to make, its $300 BILLION and 1500 dead men in Iraq

Bman

[involved]

Are you suggesting Sardonic put on a bra ?

[Catwoman]

Not just theological..how about life and death? If there is one country that could give terrorists a nuke, which one would it be do you suppose??[QUOTE}

The answer to that question is obvious. What is your point?


[Quote=Bman]
What was the point of attacking Afghanistan again?? Walk me through it.[Quote]
Erg! Al training camps and the taliban that supported them.You got a dispute with this?


WHEN have I EVER advocated pushing "democracy" on anyone? That's BUSH's policy, ma'am... NOT MINE... I don't advocate the US delving into the operations of foreign governments... Its none of our business... unless of course, they make it our business.. by attacking us. Then we should respond by killing them.. without regard to what sort of government they have.

Ok so the afganisti govermenet was immune:So what do you say to the mass of Arab people that complain about the corruption of there home governments and American support of it?





What you're saying is, you want to be safe from "terrorism", but not if attacking those that attack us, would result in economic hardship... I'm glad people didn't have that opinion in World War II

Nope never said it. Just cuious if your economic situation where ever attacked, how you would respond. Further curious how reps and dems would divide?

I'm NOT advocating attacking Saudi Arabia at this point... I haven't seen enough evidence to suggest 9/11 was state sponsored by Saudi Arabia.. there is SOME evidence to suggest it however, and our President has classified other evidence that some Senators are suggesting would "confirm" it...

Yep you always rant about Saudi Arabi and Pakistan all the time

If that evidence does exist, then of course I would support attacking Saudi Arabia.... If gasoline goes to $10 a gallon, so what?? That's called making a SACRIFICE..

Oh [so you are going to willingly pay at the pump, of is this a military sacrifice you are willing to make?

What I don't support is attacking a country like Iraq... that was not a threat and did NOT support Al Qaeda or have a role in 9/11.. You want to talk about a sacrifice that I am NOT willing to make, its $300 BILLION and 1500 dead men in Iraq

Bman

[candypreet]

Don't be so sure that no one cares. Personally I think either the gov't or a major private think-tank should hire a bunch of us IH'ers to do analysis and make periodic press releases about the kinds of things we talk about on here. It would do the public good, and would be great exposure for whoever ran the organization....

how many people here actually read posts pertaining to pakistan?

[exitwound]

lol, im engaged...
but my girl likes the fuzzy taco to sometimes ;)

It's funny how a thread about Pakistan so quickly gets around to homosexuality on IH.... :mad_08:

[OldGit]

Especially if it were written like this. Translation please?

You don't recognise a code when you see it?

That message just unleashed a special opps team inAfghanistan.... Watch my typos - an army of secret agetsdo all the time.

:)

[candypreet]

Pakistan and terrorism



SATURDAY, MAY 7, 2005


The news of the capture of a top Al Qaeda leader does not mean that authorities are on track to catch Osama bin Laden ("No. 3 figure in Al Qaeda is captured in Pakistan," May 5).

Pakistan's military had strong incentives to catch Abu Faraj al-Libbi since he was involved in assassination attempts against President Pervez Musharraf. Bin Laden remaining at large, on the other hand, helps Pakistan's military retain continued U.S. support. Areas in Pakistan where bin Laden is likely to be hiding are places where Pakistan's military turns a blind eye for geopolitical reasons. Bin Laden is likely to be hiding in Kashmir since he knows that Pakistan's military does not search that region because of the presence of terrorist training camps.

Arun Khanna, Indianapolis

[candypreet]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/06/opinion/edlet.php

[involved]

This should advance the PR. Forget the source,if you aren't satisfied google around. http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=8462

[Bman]

Copyright 2005 U.S. News & World Report
U.S. News & World Report

May 16, 2005


The $ 10 Million Man

By Kevin Whitelaw

Veteran CIA officer Gary Schroen was the agency's pick to lead the first U.S. team into Afghanistan, only 15 days after September 11. In his new book, First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan, he vividly recounts how the seven-man team (code-named Jawbreaker) helped the Northern Alliance defeat the hard-line Taliban regime--and stored $ 10 million in boxes in their office ("I can't haul around a 1,000-pound safe," he told a nervous CIA bean counter).

Was America prepared for the war on terrorism?

The CIA was ready. We knew what to do. The U.S. military, and I'm not denigrating their activities on the ground, but they were not ready. The Pentagon did not have a plan on how to go into Afghanistan and fight the kind of war it was going to take--a special operations war to defeat the Taliban.

One of your first tasks before heading out was ... shopping?

There's not a Q-type person passing out the special laser guns. When you get called to go to Afghanistan or Iraq or Bosnia and you don't have the stuff in your closet, you go down to REI or L. L. Bean and buy your gear just like you were going camping.

You tell of being frustrated by Washington bureaucracy.

A lot of us felt the stuff we would send in from the field wouldn't even be read. There was that story I told in the book about the Predator [an unmanned drone]. Two of my guys go down to look at an airfield that I paid for. I had given [the CIA] the coordinates and the reasons why we're having it refurbished. And we get a call from [the Predator's operators] saying we see two people on an airfield and one of them looks like he's not an Afghan and he may be [Osama] bin Laden and we want to shoot him with a Hellfire [missile]. And we said, "Well, we sent numerous cables. Did anybody read them?"

Will we get bin Laden?

There is no effort being spared at headquarters. The problem is that, as far as we can tell, he's in Pakistan. Unless we decide to break the self-imposed rule that we won't go in after him without Pakistani approval, we will be hamstrung.

[candypreet]

By OLIVER HARVEY
Reporter Of The Year
September 09, 2006

WHEN a journalist took his family for lunch recently in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, he was surprised to see two of Osama bin Laden’s bodyguards.

Writer Hamid Mir — who has interviewed the al-Qaeda chief three times — pretended not to recognise the duo as he enjoyed the meal.

Their boss is, after all, the world’s most wanted man, with a $25million bounty on his head — and Hamid did not want the pair to feel uneasy about the chance of being arrested.

But they had no such fears.

As Hamid chatted with his wife and children, the two well-built men approached him and said: “Nowadays you are ignoring us.”

The chance meeting is one of the few clues to emerge about the whereabouts of history’s most infamous fugitive.

Despite a billion-dollar manhunt, 9/11 mastermind bin Laden is still at large. So how does a 6ft 5in middle-aged terror chief evade a superpower which is searching for him with the latest technology and crack special forces?

Five years after 2,973 innocents perished in the Twin Towers attack, military officials and terror experts firmly believe bin Laden is alive — and still the figurehead for a global holy war.

The US says four audio tapes released by bin Laden this year appear genuine. And an archive video of him meeting 9/11 plotters as they trained for the attacks, released two days ago, has brought the question back to the fore. Many experts believe he is hiding in the tribal areas of Pakistan which border Afghanistan.

I visited this remote region of snow-capped mountains and plunging valleys last month.

It is the perfect bolthole for the world’s most wanted man.

This wild territory — near al-Qaeda’s birthplace in Peshawar in the North-West Frontier Province — is ruled by fierce Pashtun tribesmen who run the tribal zones as personal fiefdoms, keeping order with AK-47s.

The Pashtuns have a fierce code of honour which allows them to protect fugitives — and they cannot be bought off. The Pakistani government has no influence among the mountain peaks and US troops are not welcome.

Photo reconnaissance by unmanned spy drones and satellites have not captured any “signatures” showing regular movement by guards or vehicles that might belong to bin Laden.

He is rumoured to communicate only by personal couriers who ride humble motorcycles and buses to pass messages from the tribal areas to al-Qaeda enclaves in cities including Peshawar and Karachi.

US experts suspect his presence is known only to a hardcore of no more than 20 guards who have pledged to die rather than reveal his whereabouts.

The last time bin Laden’s location was known for certain was in December 2001. Holed up in the caves of Tora Bora in Afghanistan, he narrowly escaped being bombed by US B52s. But US forces at the time relied too much on Afghan commanders who accepted bribes to let al-Qaeda slip through.

Respected Peshawar opposition politician Abdul Lateef Afridi, 62, told The Sun: “I believe bin Laden is here in Pakistan.

“Pakistan is a bastion of terrorism. It encourages militancy, fundamentalism and allows terrorism to flourish.”

Some locals accuse elements of the Pakistani secret service — the ISI — of aiding al-Qaeda and its allies.

I asked General Hamid Gul, ex-head of the ISI, where he though bin Laden was holed up.
Gul — who has met bin Laden twice — said: “Search me. He could be in Afghanistan or Iran. Some of his family certainly fled to Iran.”

According to a US military intelligence official, bin Laden is likely to be hiding in an area called Chitral in the far north of Pakistan.

It is bounded by Afghanistan to the west and China to the north.

He cited as evidence the trees found only in Chitral which can be seen in a 2003 video of bin Laden walking in a mountainous region.

Amid the high peaks of Malakand — close to Chitral in north-west Pakistan — I met Maulana Mohammad Alam, a Taliban warlord who fought alongside bin Laden in Afghanistan.

If anyone knows where bin Laden is, it should be this tribal chief.

Smiling, he told me: “Yes, I’ve met bin Laden in the past. People say he’s here but I say he’s in US.”

Despite some criticism of Pakistan’s efforts in the hunt, Mahmud Durrani, Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, said recently that his nation remains “fully committed” to the war on terrorism.

He added: “I would like to see bin Laden strung up from the tallest pole.”

But as Monday’s anniversary of 9/11 approaches, it is a prospect that seems further away than ever.

o.harvey@the-sun.co.uk

[candypreet]

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=225355650&p=zz5356465&n=225356536&x=

[candypreet]

a gentle bump

[Bman]

Epic thread, Smoked!

Epic!

[Bman]

Copyright 2005 U.S. News & World Report
U.S. News & World Report

May 16, 2005


The $ 10 Million Man

By Kevin Whitelaw

Veteran CIA officer Gary Schroen was the agency's pick to lead the first U.S. team into Afghanistan, only 15 days after September 11. In his new book, First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan, he vividly recounts how the seven-man team (code-named Jawbreaker) helped the Northern Alliance defeat the hard-line Taliban regime--and stored $ 10 million in boxes in their office ("I can't haul around a 1,000-pound safe," he told a nervous CIA bean counter).

Was America prepared for the war on terrorism?

The CIA was ready. We knew what to do. The U.S. military, and I'm not denigrating their activities on the ground, but they were not ready. The Pentagon did not have a plan on how to go into Afghanistan and fight the kind of war it was going to take--a special operations war to defeat the Taliban.

One of your first tasks before heading out was ... shopping?

There's not a Q-type person passing out the special laser guns. When you get called to go to Afghanistan or Iraq or Bosnia and you don't have the stuff in your closet, you go down to REI or L. L. Bean and buy your gear just like you were going camping.

You tell of being frustrated by Washington bureaucracy.

A lot of us felt the stuff we would send in from the field wouldn't even be read. There was that story I told in the book about the Predator [an unmanned drone]. Two of my guys go down to look at an airfield that I paid for. I had given [the CIA] the coordinates and the reasons why we're having it refurbished. And we get a call from [the Predator's operators] saying we see two people on an airfield and one of them looks like he's not an Afghan and he may be [Osama] bin Laden and we want to shoot him with a Hellfire [missile]. And we said, "Well, we sent numerous cables. Did anybody read them?"

Will we get bin Laden?

There is no effort being spared at headquarters. The problem is that, as far as we can tell, he's in Pakistan. Unless we decide to break the self-imposed rule that we won't go in after him without Pakistani approval, we will be hamstrung.







And THAT is exactly the CHANGE that we voted for

Obama changed this policy

[VERITAS]

And THAT is exactly the CHANGE that we voted for

Obama changed this policy

Maybe water boarding Dick Cheney did work after all.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Awesome! And to think I contributed more then just drug fueled rants back than. Bo!