Osama in Pak-Afghan tribal belt

[candypreet]

Osama in Pak-Afghan tribal belt?
Source: IANS. Image Source: fbi.gov


Washington, April 22: Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is alive and is hiding somewhere in the inaccessible Pakistan-Afghan tribal belt, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has said.

"Osama is alive and I am cent percent sure that he is hiding in the Pakistani-Afghan tribal belt," Musharraf said in an interview with CNN that will be telecast Saturday, reports Online news agency.

Musharraf said the tribal areas on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border stretched to difficult mountain ranges where it would be very hard to locate Osama due to lack of communication infrastructure. The Pakistani government is developing the infrastructure there to hunt down Osama and the remnants of the Al Qaeda, he said.

Responding to a question on disgraced Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan and nuclear proliferation issues, the president said the government had thoroughly investigated the matter and details of the probe had been made public.

http://autofeed.msn.co.in/pandorav3/output/News/75300255-229f-4357-aad6-605c80c9d1f8.aspx

[bigearth]

seeing as people have been saying this for 4 years now, i suspect that he has moved...

[candypreet]

I know, but its on MSn headlines here in India today. so just posted it

[SCHICK]

seeing as people have been saying this for 4 years now, i suspect that he has moved...

Would it matter? Bush is not interested in Binnie he told you so,.... never mind that he was responsible for 9/11.

[born2kill]

Osama in Pak-Afghan tribal belt?


Oh! I thought you said bible belt ... :add09:

[bigearth]

I know, but its on MSn headlines here in India today. so just posted it
hmm, microsoft!

that well known source of understanding!

again...if he's still there, he's an idiot...

my guess...hmm...sudan?

chechnya?

maybe indonesia even?

[bigearth]

Oh! I thought you said bible belt ... :add09:
...that's qoran-belt!

[candypreet]

hmm, microsoft!

that well known source of understanding!

again...if he's still there, he's an idiot...

my guess...hmm...sudan?

chechnya?

maybe indonesia even?

the news section of MSN.CO.IN website.
he could be well protected by the ISI and be livinf in comfort/luxury in Karachi as Dawood Ebraham is.

[bigearth]

the news section of MSN.CO.IN website.
he could be well protected by the ISI and be livinf in comfort/luxury in Karachi as Dawood Ebraham is.
'cept that his influence would destabalise musharraf?

[Groder Mullet]

Would it matter? Bush is not interested in Binnie he told you so,.... never mind that he was responsible for 9/11.

KSM was the mastermind of 9/11. Osama is a figurehead.

[candypreet]

the ISI is a powerful agency in pakistan and it has links with laden. if it can hide others then why not osama, and it will be better for Mush if osama is not found.

[bigearth]

KSM was the mastermind of 9/11. Osama is a figurehead.
who's KSM?

(it was another bloke mohammed something or other, who was the originator of the planes-into-buildings plan...he came to ayman al zawahari for assistance and osama was skulking in the background with his wad of cash, "oo, can i play, can i play", spoilt rich kidiot)


the ISI is a powerful agency in pakistan and it has links with laden. if it can hide others then why not osama, and it will be better for Mush if osama is not found.
i don't think you fully grasp the situation in pakistan...

musharraf is essentially a dictator.
the ISI is pakistans secret service.
the "islamic radicals" would like nothing better than to oust the friend of the infidel, musharref, seriously.

the LAST thing musharraf wants is Osama anywhere near pakisatan...

i would be very surprised if he's still in the region...

[candypreet]

answer these questions my friend :-
1) does the ISI have links with taliban/aq
2) In a dictatorship who has control over govt agencies, though at times the ISI has proven not to heed to previous governments
3) and couldnt obl be within pakistan and mush is trying to appease the fanatics

[candypreet]

who's KSM?

(it was another bloke mohammed something or other, who was the originator of the planes-into-buildings plan...he came to ayman al zawahari for assistance and osama was skulking in the background with his wad of cash, "oo, can i play, can i play", spoilt rich kidiot)


i don't think you fully grasp the situation in pakistan...

musharraf is essentially a dictator.
the ISI is pakistans secret service.
the "islamic radicals" would like nothing better than to oust the friend of the infidel, musharref, seriously.

the LAST thing musharraf wants is Osama anywhere near pakisatan...

i would be very surprised if he's still in the region...
adn I think he would prefer that OBL should be only in pakistan and nowhere else, so that he cant get caught and spill ISI connections

[Groder Mullet]

[COLOR=Indigo]who's KSM?

(it was another bloke mohammed something or other, who was the originator of the planes-into-buildings plan...he came to ayman al zawahari for assistance and osama was skulking in the background with his wad of cash, "oo, can i play, can i play", spoilt rich kidiot)

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The hairy mofo we arrested in Pakistan about 2 years ago. He was AQ's head planner, if you will. He is currently spending time in an unknown American location. Apparently he did squeal on quite a few of his buddies though.

[bigearth]

answer these questions my friend :-
1) does the ISI have links with taliban/aq
ISI was the channel that ronnnie raygun gave the taliban $1bn thru?


2) In a dictatorship who has control over govt agencies, though at times the ISI has proven not to heed to previous governments
er, the dictator?!


3) and couldnt obl be within pakistan and mush is trying to appease the fanatics
er, no. that's the last thing musharref wants...


adn I think he would prefer that OBL should be only in pakistan and nowhere else, so that he cant get caught and spill ISI connections
there arn't any ISI/OBL connections, despite, apparently, what your suspicious mind is telling you...

it was with the taliban, pre russian pull out...all they did was funnel money and weapons to get those dayam carmies outta afgerhanistayan...

you remember the last neo-con obsession? the carmies?


Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The hairy mofo we arrested in Pakistan about 2 years ago. He was AQ's head planner, if you will. He is currently spending time in an unknown American location. Apparently he did squeal on quite a few of his buddies though.
well, slimey bastards that they are...not surprising...

anyway, yeah i think thats him he was the originator of the whole 9/11 thing...;)

[Groder Mullet]

well, slimey bastards that they are...not surprising...

anyway, yeah i think thats him he was the originator of the whole 9/11 thing...;)


He was indeed. His capture was a BIG BIG deal.

[Franco]

seeing as people have been saying this for 4 years now, i suspect that he has moved...

Why move from a country where you can blend in and have lots of fanatical supporters?

[Groder Mullet]

Why move from a country where you can blend in and have lots of fanatical supporters?

Indeed. He knows we can't enter Paki territory so why leave?

[Franco]

Indeed. He knows we can't enter Paki territory so why leave?

Hey buddy. I think this is a historical moment. We actually agreed on something. LOL :add09:

[Groder Mullet]

Hey buddy. I think this is a historical moment. We actually agreed on something. LOL :add09:

Indeed. I suggest we both bookmark this page as it probably won't happen again.

:add15:

[bigearth]

Why move from a country where you can blend in and have lots of fanatical supporters?
"lots"?

let's try this again...

musharraf is a dictator?

OBL, ayman al zawahari, the "taliban", whatever want to create islamic societies, modelled on some biblical interpretation, i don't know, i don't give a fuck, they are all idiots...

they want to fuck musharraf off, and create this kind of society in pakistan.

musharraf doesn't want his. he is president. he has absolute power.

think about it.

if musharraf knew where he was, he'd nail him...

he is not anywhere near afgan/pakistan border, imo (i don't know for sure, obviously).

he is in some wild backwater, somewhere, sudan, maybe, maybe even one of the old soviet republics...who knows...but he ain't there...

he probably left there, soon after our newspapers started saying he was there...http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Proud American]

who's KSM?

(it was another bloke mohammed something or other, who was the originator of the planes-into-buildings plan...he came to ayman al zawahari for assistance and osama was skulking in the background with his wad of cash, "oo, can i play, can i play", spoilt rich kidiot)Yeah I believe his name is Mohammed Atta.



i don't think you fully grasp the situation in pakistan...

musharraf is essentially a dictator.
the ISI is pakistans secret service.
the "islamic radicals" would like nothing better than to oust the friend of the infidel, musharref, seriously.

the LAST thing musharraf wants is Osama anywhere near pakisatan...

i would be very surprised if he's still in the region...I would also be suprised if he is still in that area if he is he's a fucking moron.

[Casey]

Well if this isn't some proof that bin Laden is more than likely in the tribal belt.

This notification of an upcoming bin Laden audio is signed by the Afghanistan wing of al Qaeda.

Human translation:

"expect an audio message from bin laden soon, we will post it
- the media section of al-qaeda / afghanistan"

Orginal Arabic message:
http://wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=148398#post148398

[bigearth]

Well if this isn't some proof that bin Laden is more than likely in the tribal belt.

This notification of an upcoming bin Laden audio is signed by the Afghanistan wing of al Qaeda.

Human translation:

"expect an audio message from bin laden soon, we will post it
- the media section of al-qaeda / afghanistan"

Orginal Arabic message:
http://wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=148398#post148398
this just says that it will be broadcast...and the message comes from the afghan 'section'...of "al queda"...

...haha, this supposedly "sophisticated terror network", don't make me fucking laugh...

let's think about this, shall we?

you're osama, for a second...you DON'T want to be caught (i think that's a given?!)

wherever the hell you are, wouldn't it be a good idea to tell people you were somewhere else?!

why not create the impression that you are still in the same fucking place that most western news channels said you were, over two years ago?!...

yeah, bubba, keep lookin'... :rolleyes:

osama attacked new york, and bu$h let him get away with it...

boy are you americans slow!

[candypreet]

Why move from a country where you can blend in and have lots of fanatical supporters?
my point too

[candypreet]

this just says that it will be broadcast...and the message comes from the afghan 'section'...of "al queda"...

...haha, this supposedly "sophisticated terror network", don't make me fucking laugh...

let's think about this, shall we?

you're osama, for a second...you DON'T want to be caught (i think that's a given?!)

I agree . he doesnt want to be caught.
wherever the hell you are, wouldn't it be a good idea to tell people you were somewhere else?!

yes it would be but what if you are confident of the protection you have
why not create the impression that you are still in the same fucking place that most western news channels said you were, over two years ago?!...
It wouldnt make a difference, coz you know that Bush would never attack you in Pkaistan, and you have the full support and protection of the people, the religious leaders and most importabtly the ISI
yeah, bubba, keep lookin'... :rolleyes:

osama attacked new york, and bu$h let him get away with it...

boy are you americans slow!
:) :)

[candypreet]

and Musharraf and the ISI could be protecting ObL, because he is a cult figure and a national hero there. The same reason why they are protecting Dr. Khan

[bigearth]

yes it would be but what if you are confident of the protection you have
from whom?

ayman al zawhari?

or the 'remnants of the taliban'? (whatever that means)

or pakistani, er, "militants", or "tribes people"?

osama bought his way in to ayman alzawahari's group?

the old afghan saying, something about 'you can rent an afghani tomorrow, but you will never own one'...osama is a saudi arab in afghanistan a country which is mostly pashtun, but also hasari, uzbek and tajik...plus a few others...and which quite reasonably hates arabs and pakistani's...for their interference in their country and the destruction and trouble that it brought it...ironically i think afhanistan, already with troops in it, is the second to last place he'd be, i-rak being the other one...

so someone has to protect him from all the allied forces and afghani forces...and also, i'm guessing, musharraf himself...the presence, wether actual or erronesouly thought so, must surely destablise these rebeleous tribespeople...that seem to have been painted as wild bandito's...?

what has he got to be confident about?


It wouldnt make a difference, coz you know that Bush would never attack you in Pkaistan, and you have the full support and protection of the people, the religious leaders and most importabtly the ISI
i can't think of a non-western country or it's head that would be happy to co-operate with an action of this type?

for some of the reasons outlined above...?


...and again, you have to realise that the ISI is the pakstani secret service...long-time business partners of ronnie raygun, when he gave $1bn to the "mujahidin", thus creating the taliban...like the NVA... :add09:


and Musharraf and the ISI could be protecting ObL, because he is a cult figure and a national hero there. The same reason why they are protecting Dr. Khan
(sighs) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/nono.gif no. he is not and nor are they, osama is not a cult or national hero (maybe to some small weird minority), and it's not the same reason why they are protecting dr khan...

[Boomer]

and Musharraf and the ISI could be protecting ObL, because he is a cult figure and a national hero there. The same reason why they are protecting Dr. Khan
I've said this before. Musharraf is the last person on earth who wants to capture or kill OBL.

[bigearth]

I've said this before. Musharraf is the last person on earth who wants to capture or kill OBL.
osama is destablising pakistan, just the fact that he was near there a few years back...

musharraf doesn't want more trouble with these people, he wants less...

when someone with half a brain finds osama and pops a cap in the back of his head, ol perves is gonna kick back, like up a havannah, and smiling, will stare out the window...http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/smoking1.gif

[Boomer]

when someone with half a brain finds osama and pops a cap in the back of his head, ol perves is gonna kick back, like up a havannah, and smiling, will stare out the window...http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/smoking1.gif

Maybe. As long as the "cap" isn't traced back to him.

[candypreet]

In the days following General Ahmad's dismissal, a report published in the Times of India, revealed the links between Pakistan's Chief spy Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad and the presumed "ring leader" of the WTC attacks Mohamed Atta. The Times of India article was based on an official intelligence report of the Delhi government that had been transmitted through official channels to Washington. Quoting an Indian government source Agence France Press (AFP) confirms in this regard that: "The evidence we [the Government of India] have supplied to the US is of a much wider range and depth than just one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced act of terrorism."

The revelation of the Times of India article has several implications. The Indian intelligence report not only points to the links between ISI Chief General Ahmad and terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta, it also indicates that other ISI officials might have had contacts with the terrorists. Moreover, it suggests that the September 11 attacks were not an act of "individual terrorism" organised by a separate Al Qaeda cell, but rather they were part of coordinated military-intelligence operation, emanating from Pakistan's ISI.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html

[involved]

Mohammed Atta's father said Atta was Not only alive and well,but was connected with Israel intelligence Mossad.He said if you want to know where my son is ,ask Mossad.
In the days following General Ahmad's dismissal, a report published in the Times of India, revealed the links between Pakistan's Chief spy Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad and the presumed "ring leader" of the WTC attacks Mohamed Atta. The Times of India article was based on an official intelligence report of the Delhi government that had been transmitted through official channels to Washington. Quoting an Indian government source Agence France Press (AFP) confirms in this regard that: "The evidence we [the Government of India] have supplied to the US is of a much wider range and depth than just one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced act of terrorism."

The revelation of the Times of India article has several implications. The Indian intelligence report not only points to the links between ISI Chief General Ahmad and terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta, it also indicates that other ISI officials might have had contacts with the terrorists. Moreover, it suggests that the September 11 attacks were not an act of "individual terrorism" organised by a separate Al Qaeda cell, but rather they were part of coordinated military-intelligence operation, emanating from Pakistan's ISI.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html

[SmokedYourDSM]

Mohammed Atta's father said Atta was Not only alive and well,but was connected with Israel intelligence Mossad.He said if you want to know where my son is ,ask Mossad.

yes, blame the israelis. we're responsible for everything wrong with the world. thanks.

[involved]

Blame the Zionists...
yes, blame the israelis. we're responsible for everything wrong with the world. thanks.

[Boomer]

In the days following General Ahmad's dismissal, a report published in the Times of India, revealed the links between Pakistan's Chief spy Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad and the presumed "ring leader" of the WTC attacks Mohamed Atta. The Times of India article was based on an official intelligence report of the Delhi government that had been transmitted through official channels to Washington. Quoting an Indian government source Agence France Press (AFP) confirms in this regard that: "The evidence we [the Government of India] have supplied to the US is of a much wider range and depth than just one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced act of terrorism."

The revelation of the Times of India article has several implications. The Indian intelligence report not only points to the links between ISI Chief General Ahmad and terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta, it also indicates that other ISI officials might have had contacts with the terrorists. Moreover, it suggests that the September 11 attacks were not an act of "individual terrorism" organised by a separate Al Qaeda cell, but rather they were part of coordinated military-intelligence operation, emanating from Pakistan's ISI.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html

Well, this article links our ally Pakistan's military intelligence service with 9/11. In another thread, Bman posted a Miami Herald article about Bob Graham's book "Intelligence Matters" in which Graham states that two of the 9/11 hijackers were aided by agents of the Saudi government, also our ally. But far as anyone has been able to determine, Saddam's Iraq had no involvement in 9/11.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149847&postcount=124

Yet, we attacked Iraq.

If it wasn't for the interest of national security, I'm sure Cheney, Wolfie, Rummy and Feith could explain this to us.

[involved]

Still believe the inner administration wasn't involved ?.
Well, this article links our ally Pakistan's military intelligence service with 9/11. In another thread, Bman posted a Miami Herald article about Bob Graham's book "Intelligence Matters" in which Graham states that two of the 9/11 hijackers were aided by agents of the Saudi government, also our ally. But far as anyone has been able to determine, Saddam's Iraq had no involvement in 9/11.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149847&postcount=124

Yet, we attacked Iraq.

If it wasn't for the interest of national security, I'm sure Cheney, Wolfie, Rummy and Feith could explain this to us.

[Boomer]

Still believe the inner administration wasn't involved ?.
I think it just points out what should be obvious to everyone by now: That none of what the Bush Administration does is about rewarding our friends, punishing our enemies, finding OBL, finding WMD, or "spreadin' freedumb 'an d'mockercy". It's about pushing their pre-9/11 agenda for Middle East regime change. To them, beyond its usefulness as a means to whip up hysteria in the American public, 9/11 is just a nuisance.

[involved]

Politics of fear,a great propaganda tool.These pages were written years ago.

[bigearth]

...a rogue general...
indeed...


it also indicates that other ISI officials might have had contacts with the terrorists.
oo "might have" what proof?!


Moreover, it suggests that the September 11 attacks were not an act of "individual terrorism" organised by a separate Al Qaeda cell, but rather they were part of coordinated military-intelligence operation, emanating from Pakistan's ISI.
well, we already know what sheik mohammed, or whatever his name was, was the originator of the planes-into-shyscapers' idea and that he came to ayman al zwawhari, who actioned it, helpfully financed by osama do$h...

this we already know...so therefore we know that the ISI link is gossip...

we also know that india and pakistan have been on the verge of war for the last 10 ears or so and that this sort of mudslinging is normal...it's propoganda...

mm, got any more "proof"...?!


Mohammed Atta's father said Atta was Not only alive and well,but was connected with Israel intelligence Mossad.He said if you want to know where my son is ,ask Mossad.
oh, never heard this before...bit far fetched, but if theres more proof...?


yes, blame the israelis. we're responsible for everything wrong with the world. thanks.
you're supposed to disagree with it, first?


Blame the Zionists...
yeah, i'll go with that!


http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149847&postcount=124
mm, but curiously no ISI link yet?


I think it just points out what should be obvious to everyone by now: That none of what the Bush Administration does is about rewarding our friends, punishing our enemies, finding OBL, finding WMD, or "spreadin' freedumb 'an d'mockercy". It's about pushing their pre-9/11 agenda for Middle East regime change. To them, beyond its usefulness as a means to whip up hysteria in the American public, 9/11 is just a nuisance.
mm, this maybe the neo-nazi agenda (OOPS, SORRY!!! "neo-con", keep getting that one wrong ^^), but not bu$h's...

don't you remember in farenheit 9/11, where bu$h spoke of it 'NOT being america's job to go round the world telling other people how to live' or something?

poppa bu$h would have none of their nonsense!

(shame monkey-boy, razzled his brain on all that JD until he gave up alchohol at 40?!)


Politics of fear,a great propaganda tool.These pages were written years ago.
well said!

"the power of nightmares", three 1 hour programs, bbc series EVERYONE MUST WATCH IT AT LEAST TWICE!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

(ok, so, STILL no ISI link to osama, then?!)

[candypreet]

read this

http://www.itshappening.com/showthread.php?t=63371


http://www.itshappening.com/showthread.php?t=59102

[involved]

[QUOTE=bigearth][COLOR=Indigo]
indeed...


mm, got any more "proof"...?!


oh, never heard this before...bit far fetched, but if theres more proof...?
Cairo Times - 9/27/01
He also claimed that his son had called him two days after the attack, and described it as "a normal conversation." But he snarled when asked to give further details. Asked what country Muhammad had called from, he said, "The name of the country isn't written on the phone." Asked where Muhammad was now, he said, "Ask Mossad."

order Mohamed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus, the real story of the Hijackers

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/#9

[SmokedYourDSM]

BOY I SURE DO LOVE CONSPIRACIES!
There was an article a few weeks ago wherre an airport concession worker had a breif talk with Attah.... which prooves he was at ther airport on 9/11...
but i bet that was a fabrication, and Attah's father is the one whose telling the REAL story...
:rolleyes:

[involved]

November 20, 2001: Five Israelis arrested on 9/11 for videotaping the WTC attack and then cheering about it [Bergen Record, 9/12/01, Ha'aretz, 9/17/01, ABC, 6/21/02] are released and return to Israel. Some of the men's names appeared in a US national intelligence database, and the FBI concluded that at least two of the men were working for the Mossad, according to ABC News. They were released as part of a deal between the US and the Israel government. [Forward, 3/15/02, ABC, 6/21/02] http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline25pg

[candypreet]

"The ISI-Osama-Taliban Axis"
On the 9th of September, the leader of the Northern Alliance Commander Ahmad Shah Masood was assassinated. The Northern Alliance had informed the Bush Administration that the ISI was allegedly implicated in the assassination: The Northern Alliance had confirmed in an official statement that:

a `Pakistani ISI-Osama-Taliban axis' [was responsible] of plotting the assassination by two Arab suicide bombers.... `We believe that this is a triangle between Osama bin Laden, ISI, which is the intelligence section of the Pakistani army, and the Taliban,'

More generally, the complicity of the ISI in the "ISI-Osama-Taliban axis" was a matter of public record, confirmed by congressional transcripts and numerous intelligence reports.

[candypreet]

When Osama Met the Taliban
Who introduced them? Our intelligence "allies," Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency.
By Ken Silverstein
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2001, at 6:00 PM PT


As commandos and U.S. infantry enter Afghanistan and fan out in search of Osama Bin Laden and members of his al-Qaida group, they'll need timely and accurate intelligence to complete their mission. Most agree that their best source will be agents of the Interservices Intelligence Agency, Pakistan's powerful spy organization.

Yet the ISI is such an utterly unreliable ally that on Sunday, just hours after U.S. and British planes launched their first attacks on Afghanistan, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf sacked the head of the agency, who he apparently suspected of being too close to militant Islamic groups. Indeed, the reason the ISI is in a position to lead American troops to Bin Laden's tent is that it has longstanding ties to al-Qaida's leader. It was the ISI that initially introduced Bin Laden to the Taliban, and at least until very recently the agency has remained close to both.

That's only the beginning of the ISI's awful résumé. The agency has also sponsored heroin smuggling and a variety of militant organizations that have committed acts of terror in the Indian state of Kashmir, which Pakistan claims. More troubling from a practical standpoint, many ISI officers are deeply hostile to the West and make no secret of their friendship with Bin Laden. As one person familiar with the agency, and who asked to remain anonymous, says, "If the ISI is going to be our eyes and ears in Afghanistan, I suggest that we watch our back."

Established by the British in 1948, the ISI has a long and checkered history of dirty tricks, leading one Pakistani newspaper to call it "our secret godfathers." During the 1977-88 dictatorship of Gen. Zia ul-Haq, the agency played a key role in crushing internal dissent. The ISI is widely believed to have played a role in Pakistan's efforts to procure foreign nuclear and missile technology from China and North Korea. Pakistan's success in that endeavor led Congress in 1990 to bar military and economic aid to Islamabad—sanctions that the United States dropped in late September in return for support from Musharraf, who took power in a coup two years ago.

The ISI worked with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan to distribute weaponry to the anti-Soviet mujahideen fighters. Since Pakistan's goal was to have an Islamic state on its northern border, it made sure that the most radical elements got most of the goods.

The ISI's favorite freedom fighter was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the Islamic militant who in 1991 supported Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War and who as prime minister of Afghanistan in the early 1990s oversaw the destruction of Kabul. "Pakistan began employing Islamic extremism as a tool during the jihad," says Charles Santos, a former political adviser to the U.N. Special Mission to Afghanistan. "They've been refining it as an approach ever since, but they lost a handle on it. You can't refine extremism."

When Tony Blair presented his case against Bin Laden to Parliament last week, he accused al-Qaida's leader of drug trafficking in collaboration with the Taliban. What he didn't mention was that the ISI has also been a partner in the trade, another practice that dates to the anti-Soviet jihad. In his book Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil & Fundamentalism in Central Asia, Ahmed Rashid says that in one instance, the agency's entire staff in the border town of Quetta was fired because it had turned to heroin trafficking to finance the war and enrich themselves.

The ISI's involvement in the drug trade has apparently decreased in recent years, but elements within the agency still have dirty hands. The same goes for members of the armed forces. In 1997, a Pakistani air force officer was arrested in New York after he tried to sell $2 million worth of heroin to an undercover DEA agent. He smuggled the heroin into the country on a Pakistani military plane that had come to the United States to fetch spare parts for F-16 fighters.

In recent years, the ISI has devoted much of its time—and a $1 billion budget—to backing the Taliban. It played a key role in the group's rise to power, culminating in its capture of Kabul in 1996, and since then has supported the Taliban's war against the Northern Alliance, the group Washington hopes to use as front-line troops in Afghanistan. According to a July 2001 report from Human Rights Watch, the ISI has been "bankrolling Taliban military operations … arranging training for its fighters, planning and directing offensives, providing and facilitating shipments of ammunition and fuel, and on several occasions apparently directly providing combat support."

Through its ties to the Taliban, the ISI developed deep links to Osama Bin Laden, who first came to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets and funded some of the agency's training camps for mujahideen fighters. According to Rashid, the ISI introduced Bin Laden to Taliban leaders in 1996—the same year that the Taliban took power and that Bin Laden issued his first jihad against the United States. By his account, Pakistan's goal was to convince the Taliban to let Bin Laden run training camps for ISI-backed Kashmiri militants. The Taliban agreed. In return, Bin Laden built a home for its leader, Mullah Omar, and funded some of its other top officials.

The ISI's other chief preoccupation has been Kashmir, which both India and Pakistan claim. Kashmir is Hindu India's only majority Muslim state, and New Delhi's heavy hand has sparked legitimate grievances. However, most Kashmiris seem to oppose Pakistani control as well, instead favoring an independent state.

For the past decade, Pakistan has fought a proxy war in Kashmir, using rebels—mostly locals but with a healthy contingent of Arab radicals—trained in Afghanistan to attack military and civilian targets. Though Islamabad maintains that it offers only moral and diplomatic support to the Kashmiri radicals, few take such claims seriously. "Pakistan's military government, headed by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, continued previous Pakistani Government support of the Kashmir insurgency, and Kashmiri militant groups continued to operate in Pakistan, raising funds and recruiting new cadre," says the State Department's Patterns of Global Terrorism report released last April.

Other observers are more forthright in describing Pakistan's relationship to the militants. "The ISI is the source of support for some of the groups," says Patricia Gossman, a human rights consultant who has traveled widely in Kashmir. "It's an ISI operation." And in early October, former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro told a House committee that ISI personnel are directly training separatist fighters at camps in Afghanistan that are used to provide Islamabad "plausible deniability" about its role in Kashmir.

[candypreet]

Other observers are more forthright in describing Pakistan's relationship to the militants. "The ISI is the source of support for some of the groups," says Patricia Gossman, a human rights consultant who has traveled widely in Kashmir. "It's an ISI operation." And in early October, former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro told a House committee that ISI personnel are directly training separatist fighters at camps in Afghanistan that are used to provide Islamabad "plausible deniability" about its role in Kashmir.

On Oct. 1, terrorists believed to be backed by the ISI carried out a suicide attack at the state legislature in Kashmir that killed 38 people. Four days later, the State Department named a militant group called the Harakat ul-Mujahidin as one of 28 "Foreign Terrorist Organizations," along with groups such as al-Qaida, the Abu Nidal Organization, Algeria's Armed Islamic Group, and Hezbollah. The State Department says the HUM is "active in Pakistan without discouragement by the Government" and charges that its secretary-general, Fazlur Rehman Khalil, signed one of Bin Laden's fatwas that "call[ed] for attacks on U.S. and Western interest." In 1998, weeks after Bin Laden's operatives bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the United States fired 70 cruise missiles at terrorist training camps in Afghanistan run by Bin Laden and his allies. One of the primary targets was a facility run for the HUM (then known as the Harakat ul-Ansar) in the province of Khost.

Beyond its own nasty history, many in the ISI loathe the United States. They view America as an unreliable and duplicitous ally, being especially resentful of the 1990 sanctions, which came one year after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, the same tribe that is the Taliban's base of support across the border in Afghanistan. Partly because of its family, clan, and business ties to the Taliban, the ISI, even more than Pakistani society in general, has become increasingly enamored of radical Islam in recent years.

The ISI has occasionally assisted the United States—for example, it turned over to American authorities Ramzi Yousef, who fled to Pakistan after he planned the 1993 World Trade Center bombing—but it has repeatedly refused to cooperate in apprehending Bin Laden. In an interview in 1999, Bin Laden obliquely expressed gratitude to his ISI friends, saying, "There are some governmental departments, which, by the Grace of God, respond to the Islamic sentiments of the masses in Pakistan. This is reflected in sympathy and cooperation. However, some governmental departments fell into the trap of the infidels. We pray to God to return them to the right path."

In an interview in Islamabad a few weeks ago, Hamid Gul, a former head of the ISI and ardent Taliban supporter, suggested that his old agency won't be offering much help to the United States in the days ahead. "If you can't even find the terrorists in your own country, what makes you think you can find Osama in Afghanistan?" he gloated. "Your soldiers are going to come out of Afghanistan bloodied and empty-handed."

http://slate.msn.com/id/116991/

Ken Silverstein is a contributing editor of Harper's.

[SmokedYourDSM]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/images/mural.jpg

thats a mural that was found in Iraq. Can we conclude, just by looking at that mural, that Iraqi's had a hand in 9/11? If we cant, than i'd say your Mossad insinuation is stretching it as well...

[involved]

$ELLING OUT THE INVESTIGATION

BY BILL MANNING

Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire? Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not. But essentially, that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.

For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next car.

Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history. I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.

Hoping beyond hope, I have called experts to ask if the towers were the only high-rise buildings in America of lightweight, center-core construction. No such luck. I made other calls asking if these were the only buildings in America with light-density, sprayed-on fireproofing. Again, no luck-they were two of thousands that fit the description.

Comprehensive disaster investigations mean increased safety. They mean positive change. NASA knows it. The NTSB knows it. Does FEMA know it?

No. Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members-described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything. http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=ARCHI&ARTICLE_ID=133237&VERSION_NUM=1

[candypreet]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/images/mural.jpg

thats a mural that was found in Iraq. Can we conclude, just by looking at that mural, that Iraqi's had a hand in 9/11? If we cant, than i'd say your Mossad insinuation is stretching it as well...

I agree, stretching it to the limit

[SmokedYourDSM]

On 12 April 1986, Mahmoud Mahmoud Atta (also known as Mahmoud Abad Ahmad), a 33-year-old Jordanian native, ambushed a passenger bus in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. Atta (working with an accomplice) stopped the bus with a firebomb, then opened fire on it with an Uzi, killing the driver and seriously wounding three passengers.

Atta was arrested in Venezuela a year later, but because Venezuela had no extradition treaty with Israel, Venezuelan officials deported him for immigration violations to his country of origin, the United States. (Atta was a naturalized U.S. citizen.) Atta was arrested by FBI agents upon arrival at Kennedy International Airport and held in prison in the U.S. for more than three years before being extradited to Israel for trial in October 1990. His extradition was controversial because the nature of the extradition treaty in effect required that the accused's offense must be of a "non-political nature," and Atta maintained that he had committed political rather than criminal offenses. Nonetheless, the U.S. courts upheld Israel's extradition request on the grounds that Atta had attacked civilian rather than military targets and had therefore committed regular criminal acts, not political acts aimed at the overthrow of a government. In October 1991, an Israeli court found Atta guilty and sentenced him to life imprisonment.

Fast forward ten years. As the U.S. tries to piece together the terrorist plot that resulted in four hijacked airliners and the destruction of both World Trade Center towers, they discover that the mastermind was apparently one Mohamad Atta, who had entered into the U.S. unnoticed and spent well over a year here receiving training at more than one American flight school. Newspapers (both domestic and foreign) begin to criticize U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies for allowing a known terrorist to slip into the country so easily :



I don't think the Mossad would employ a convicted terrorist....

[involved]

March 5, 2002: It is reported that many spies in the uncovered Israeli spy ring seemed to have been trailing the 9/11 hijackers. For instance, five Israeli spies are intercepted in the tiny town of Hollywood, Florida, while four 9/11 hijackers are known to have spent time in Hollywood, Florida. [Le Monde, 3/5/02, Reuters, 3/5/02, Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02] In one case, some Israeli spies lived at 4220 Sheridan Street, only a few hundred feet from where Atta was living at 3389 Sheridan Street. Israeli spies appear to have been close to at least 10 of the 19 9/11 hijackers. [Salon, 5/7/02] I can't access these links anymore,case sensitive ?.I will continue to be part of the 20%.

[involved]

WASHINGTON(AP) _ The Sept. 11 attacks would not have happened if the State Department had followed its own guidelines and denied visas to the hijackers, two top Republican senators said in a report issued Wednesday.

Sens. Jon Kyl and Pat Roberts said in a report that "the answer to the question _ could 9/11 have been prevented _ is yes, if State Department personnel had merely followed the law and not granted non- immigrant visas to 15 of the 19 hijackers in Saudi Arabia."

If U.S. laws had been followed, "most of the hijackers would not have been able to obtain visas and 9/11 would not have happened," they said.

They said the hijackers should have been denied visas as single young men with no visible means of support.

Many lawmakers have criticized the State Department's handling of visas for the hijackers. But the criticism by Kyl and Roberts was among the most blunt in tying the issuance of the visas to the failure to stop the attacks.

There was no immediate comment from the State Department. State Department officials have said previously they had no reason to believe the men were terrorists and that their visa policies have been improved since the attacks.

Roberts and Kyl are members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which along with its House counterparts, conducted the inquiry into intelligence failures leading up to the attacks. Roberts, of Kansas, will likely be the committee's chairman next year; Kyl, of Arizona, will have a top position in the Senate leadership.

Their comments were included in a supplemental report to the inquiry's findings, which were completed last week. The committees found that intelligence agencies were poorly organized and slow to pursue clues that might have led to the attacks. They recommended creating a Cabinet-level national intelligence director to improve communications among agencies.

In a separate supplemental report, Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del., also criticized the State Department, saying most of the hijackers were wrongly admitted "as a result of decisions made and errors committed by responsible State Department and Justice Department officers."

Roberts, Kyl and Castle all noted that State Department's actions was not part of the inquiry, which was limited to intelligence issues. A newly formed commission headed by former New Jersey Gov. Thomas Kean will examine immigration and other issues related to the attacks.

Kyl and Roberts also criticized the recently completed congressional investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks, saying it didn't dig deeply enough into intelligence problems. They said intelligence committee leaders excluded lawmakers from key decisions during the investigation.

Keywords: Washington

© The Associated Press
KEN GUGGENHEIM; Associated Press Writer
Two senators blame State Department in Sept. 11 attacks, 12-18-2002

http://www.wanttoknow.info/021218ap

[involved]

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July

French report claims terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital

Anthony Sampson
Thursday November 1, 2001
The Guardian

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.

The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.

Bin Laden is reported to have arrived in Dubai on July 4 from Quetta in Pakistan with his own personal doctor, nurse and four bodyguards, to be treated in the urology department. While there he was visited by several members of his family and Saudi personalities, and the CIA.

The CIA chief was seen in the lift, on his way to see Bin Laden, and later, it is alleged, boasted to friends about his contact. He was recalled to Washington soon afterwards.

Intelligence sources say that another CIA agent was also present; and that Bin Laden was also visited by Prince Turki al Faisal, then head of Saudi intelligence, who had long had links with the Taliban, and Bin Laden. Soon afterwards Turki resigned, and more recently he has publicly attacked him in an open letter: "You are a rotten seed, like the son of Noah".

The American hospital in Dubai emphatically denied that Bin Laden was a patient there.

Washington last night also denied the story.

Private planes owned by rich princes in the Gulf fly frequently between Quetta and the Emirates, often on luxurious "hunting trips" in territories sympathetic to Bin Laden. Other sources confirm that these hunting trips have provided opportunities for Saudi contacts with the Taliban and terrorists, since they first began in 1994.

Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years.

According to Le Figaro, last year he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan.

Whether the allegations about the Dubai meeting are confirmed or not, the wider leaks from the French secret service throw a worrying light on the rivalries and lack of coordination between intelligence agencies, both within the US and between western allies.

A familiar complaint of French intelligence is that collaboration with the Americans has been essentially one-way, with them happy to receive information while giving little in return.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html

[SmokedYourDSM]

involved, im sure 90% of the people here have read ALLLL the BILLION conspiracies dealing with 9/11... why don't you let people believe their OWN thoughts of what happened, instead of constantly pushing disinformation down our throats... If you're so obsessed with the issue, go post at DemocraticUnderground, GodLikeProductions, or other boards for woo-woos like yourself.
for the NORMAL, WORLDWIDE CURRENT EVENTS discussion, stick here... k?

[involved]

These articles are all from well established media outlets and in the course of time many articles are forgotten or missed,I would argue the official Whitehouse account is the real conspiracy and I don't belong to your democratic party.You seem to have the 'my government is my god thing happening. You don't like it,don't read it.
involved, im sure 90% of the people here have read ALLLL the BILLION conspiracies dealing with 9/11... why don't you let people believe their OWN thoughts of what happened, instead of constantly pushing disinformation down our throats... If you're so obsessed with the issue, go post at DemocraticUnderground, GodLikeProductions, or other boards for woo-woos like yourself.
for the NORMAL, WORLDWIDE CURRENT EVENTS discussion, stick here... k?

[SmokedYourDSM]

ok, adios, but it's gonna get boring posting to yourself....

[God]

involved, im sure 90% of the people here have read ALLLL the BILLION conspiracies dealing with 9/11... why don't you let people believe their OWN thoughts of what happened, instead of constantly pushing disinformation down our throats... If you're so obsessed with the issue, go post at DemocraticUnderground, GodLikeProductions, or other boards for woo-woos like yourself.
for the NORMAL, WORLDWIDE CURRENT EVENTS discussion, stick here... k?

If you don't believe what I believe, you don't belong here.

Man it's day's like today I wish Regis was still around.

He would've had a field day with your ignorant ass.

[SmokedYourDSM]

so sorry to offend you.
ok, "IT IS MY OPINION THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE FALSE, INVOLVED".

Is that better cupcake? :love_02:

edited to add: because you never jump down anyones throat or discount THEIR opinions...

[involved]

I was posting legitimate information,if you find it offensive,write the Times,Washington Post,etc,I am Not bothered by your difference of opinion,just your indifference to the odvious,your lack of sincereity,it wasn't my intent to push your nose to the monitor and force you to read.If you care to poke holes and counter the info,I'm all ears. :happy_13:
so sorry to offend you.
ok, "IT IS MY OPINION THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE FALSE, INVOLVED".

Is that better cupcake? :love_02:

edited to add: because you never jump down anyones throat or discount THEIR opinions...

[OldGit]

the news section of MSN.CO.IN website.
he could be well protected by the ISI and be livinf in comfort/luxury in Karachi as Dawood Ebraham is.

And that wouldn't surprise me at all.

I think Musharaff has out of control elements among his so-called security services. They spawned the Taliban, and I think they'd happily nurture a poor stateless person like OBL.

[bigearth]

read this:
ok...i'll read the first posts, but not the whole threads...


http://www.itshappening.com/showthread.php?t=63371
"Musharraf replied: "Oh no, I don't know where he is. I wish I did,"

indeed!


http://www.itshappening.com/showthread.php?t=59102
link @ first post doesn't work "No input file specified."

site listed as "pakistan-facts.com", hmmz...


November 20, 2001: Five Israelis arrested on 9/11 for videotaping the WTC attack and then cheering about it [Bergen Record, 9/12/01, Ha'aretz, 9/17/01, ABC, 6/21/02] are released and return to Israel. Some of the men's names appeared in a US national intelligence database, and the FBI concluded that at least two of the men were working for the Mossad, according to ABC News. They were released as part of a deal between the US and the Israel government. [Forward, 3/15/02, ABC, 6/21/02] http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline25pg
i'm not saying that isn't true, or that i don't believe it, i have just chosen to stay clear of it...even with my rabid anti-israelism, i'd find it hard to believe that israel would be that stupid as to try something like this, even though they did sink the u.s.s liberty...


"The ISI-Osama-Taliban Axis"
On the 9th of September, the leader of the Northern Alliance Commander Ahmad Shah Masood was assassinated. The Northern Alliance had informed the Bush Administration that the ISI was allegedly implicated in the assassination: The Northern Alliance had confirmed in an official statement that:

a `Pakistani ISI-Osama-Taliban axis' [was responsible] of plotting the assassination by two Arab suicide bombers.... `We believe that this is a triangle between Osama bin Laden, ISI, which is the intelligence section of the Pakistani army, and the Taliban,'

More generally, the complicity of the ISI in the "ISI-Osama-Taliban axis" was a matter of public record, confirmed by congressional transcripts and numerous intelligence reports.
no link?

but this happend in 2001, so a bit irrelavant to this debate...?

next post, also, 2001 with no link :\

next post, ALSO is 2001...


involved, im sure 90% of the people here have read ALLLL the BILLION conspiracies dealing with 9/11... why don't you let people believe their OWN thoughts of what happened, instead of constantly pushing disinformation down our throats... If you're so obsessed with the issue, go post at DemocraticUnderground, GodLikeProductions, or other boards for woo-woos like yourself.
for the NORMAL, WORLDWIDE CURRENT EVENTS discussion, stick here... k?
actually, with all due respect, i have to agree...most people have talked this to death...


If you don't believe what I believe, you don't belong here.

Man it's day's like today I wish Regis was still around.

He would've had a field day with your ignorant ass.
lol, that's funny, you calling someone else "ignorant"...!

he's right, it's very old, very tired subject matter and isn't really relevant to this thread...so, to do him a favour one should say start another thread on the subject, cos it's kinda getting wasted here...


so sorry to offend you.
ok, "IT IS MY OPINION THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE FALSE, INVOLVED".

Is that better cupcake? :love_02:

edited to add: because you never jump down anyones throat or discount THEIR opinions...
lol!


And that wouldn't surprise me at all.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/icon_ohmygod.gif ffs!

even she said "could well be", how vague is that?!


I think Musharaff has out of control elements among his so-called security services.
he is a dictator, he can do what he wants!


They spawned the Taliban,...
aw jesus! ronnie raygun created the taliban with $1bn

he just happend to channel the money thru the ISI, that's all they were, a dam bureau de change!


...and I think they'd happily nurture a poor stateless person like OBL.
well you think wrong, nothing musharraf would like better then for osama to be thousands of miles away!...and he probably is...

[death2aq]

I was posting legitimate information,if you find it offensive,write the Times,Washington Post,etc,I am Not bothered by your difference of opinion,just your indifference to the odvious,your lack of sincereity,it wasn't my intent to push your nose to the monitor and force you to read.If you care to poke holes and counter the info,I'm all ears. :happy_13:

Which rag/s was it that got busted for their people posting bogus shit? Of course there could never be any operatives working for the media. They are such hard core American institutions.

[SCHICK]

he's right, it's very old, very tired subject matter and isn't really relevant to this thread...so, to do him a favour one should say start another thread on the subject, cos it's kinda getting wasted here...


Keep posting Involved.... it makes for interesting reading,cant say as I would be too suprised and your sources seem mainstream,interesting .

[candypreet]

why dont you just type osama, taliban and ISI in a search engine


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-15,GGLD:en&q=osama+taliban+ISI

[bigearth]

why dont you just type osama, taliban and ISI in a search engine

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-15,GGLD:en&q=osama+taliban+ISI
um, because i don't want to waste my time...

you seem to really want this link to still be in effect, maybe you want to nuke pakistan, or you got some other beef with pakistani's, i don't know, but you're barking up the wrong tree...

bu$h screwed up, let's not forget that.

osama attacked the WTC because of americas support for israel.

bu$h let him get away with it.

that's all there is to it.

[candypreet]

look I dont like the Govt of pakistan, which supports terrorism. If you lived in India and get to read the news papers, you would be surprised at the number of civilians and army perosnnel who are murdered by these terrorist, most of whoom which are pakistanis and afghans. I have lost afew friends in these attacks. Why does India only have terorrist problems near the borders, bothour states - kashmir and punjab have been fighting pakistan sponsored teroorists for over 25 years now. check the facts.

And I definately dont want to nuke pakistan, the few pakistanis I have met are no different from my muslim friends, Its only The govt and Isi I dont like.

[candypreet]

and plus the terrorism in Jammu and kashmir has AQ support:=
Osama bin Laden also responsible for massacres in India
Manvendra Singh
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NEW DELHI, Aug 22: As the bodies of Pakistanis killed in the United States air strikes are brought back to their native land for burial, and the United Nations moves it staff out of Srinagar, links are being made between Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born financier of the Taliban, and massacres in Jammu and Kashmir.
Pakistan-based terrorists owing allegiance to Osama bin Laden have long been held responsible for various massacres in Jammu and Kashmir. And in 1998 alone they have killed more than 200 unarmed Indian citizens, say senior military and intelligence sources.
http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980823/23550324.html

[death2aq]

And in 1998 alone they have killed more than 200 unarmed Indian citizens, say senior military and intelligence sources.
http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980823/23550324.html

Unarmed. How classy of them. Their own actions show what cowards they are.

[candypreet]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GE11Aa01.html
Mr Osama, are you OK?
By B Raman

Dear Mr bin Laden,

Are you OK?

One has not heard from you since October 29, 2004, when you sent a recorded message through al-Jazeera on the eve of the US presidential elections.

One knows that such periodic spells of silence are not unusual in the interest of your physical security. But whenever there are long spells of silence, the rumor mills start over-working.

This had happened in the past and this is happening now, but this time, the rumors are stronger and more persistent than before. In the last week of April, there were frenzied rumors of your death following a posting by an unidentified person on a web site identified with the al-Qaeda network. Not much credibility was given to the rumors in the end.

In an analysis of these rumors, the well-respected Northeast Intelligence Network, a non-governmental online terrorism analysis group of the US, said as follows on April 29:
Analysts at the Northeast Intelligence Network read, translated and reviewed the message approximately 45 minutes after it was originally posted by a newly registered poster to that forum who has virtually no other posting record. Based on the manner in which the message was posted and the status of the poster, government intelligence analysts are privately looking at the possibility that the message was deliberately posted to garner attention. Regardless of the poster or intent, it is important to note that the message, written in Arabic, does not claim that bin Laden is dead. Rather, the message "waxes poetic" over what is expected to happen when the al-Qaeda leader dies.
I was inclined to feel that the posting regarding your death might have been made by the US intelligence as part of its psychological warfare to create confusion and demoralization in the ranks of your followers. The rumors died down.

But doubts have again arisen after one received reports on the sermons delivered in some madrassas (seminaries) of the tribal region in Pakistan and Afghanistan during the last two Fridays. In the sermons, the mullahs have prayed to God for your good health and success against the US and Israel. There is nothing unusual in that. They were doing so even in the past.

But what is intriguing now is that their sermons also included prayers to God for the good health and success of your sons in the jihad against the US and Israel. Why suddenly these prayers for your sons?

Are you dying, if not already dead? Is something seriously wrong with your health?

Please send a message to al-Jazeera quickly through your usual handlers in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence. Otherwise, this will add further confusion in the minds of the already much confused al-Qaeda watchers.

Warm regards and waiting anxiously for signs of life or of confirmed death, Yours sincerely,

B Raman

To:
Mr Osama bin Laden,
Amir, al-Qaeda,
Care of General Pervez Musharraf,
President and Chief of the Army Staff,
Islamabad,
Pakistan.

B Raman additional secretary (retired), cabinet secretariat, government of India, New Delhi, and, presently, director, Institute for Topical Studies, Chennai, and distinguished fellow and convener, Observer Research Foundation, Chennai Chapter. Email: itschen36@gmail.com )

[Bman]

Push Osama into Afghanistan to prevent civil unrest ,says Pak Intelligence
11 Hours,47 minutes Ago


Pakistan News, LAHORE: The possibility of the interrogation of Al Qaeda terrorist Abu Farraj Al Libbi and his associates leading to the capture of Al Qaeda leader and terror mastermind Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, and consequent unrest, has given rise to apprehensions in Pakistan's intelligence community.

There have been growing anti-US tirades in the wake of the controversy over the desecration of the Koran and the derogatory cartoon across Pakistan, and intelligence officials have said that bin Laden's capture might just act as spark to further ignite the anti-US passions.

They have said bin Laden's arrest in Pakistan can lead to real terrorism, bloodshed and in the worst possible scenario, a revolution.

The best strategy, they said would be for the Pakistani security forces to push bin Laden into Afghanistan so that he is captured by the US coalition forces. This they believe will prevent civil unrest from breaking out in Pakistan, which would in all certainty arise if he is caught in Pakistani soil, reports the Daily Times.

[Pakistan News] "At present, we are completely in the dark. A breakthrough will come soon but will carry its own problems. I am not part of a strategic community but my political acumen says that in the present drive we will find Bin Laden in our tribal areas. But we should try to push him to the other side of the border and let US troops arrest him because if he is arrested in Pakistan the army will lose face among the masses and there would be retaliation against the government beyond our comprehension, and then anything is possible...real terrorism, bloodshed and even a revolution," an official was quoted as saying. (Agencies)


http://www.keralanext.com/news/?id=208381

[SmokedYourDSM]

Mr Osama bin Laden,
Amir, al-Qaeda,
Care of General Pervez Musharraf,
President and Chief of the Army Staff,
Islamabad,
Pakistan.


HAHAHA, thats Osama's mailing adress eh? who on here is denying that!

[Bman]

Mr Osama bin Laden,
Amir, al-Qaeda,
Care of General Pervez Musharraf,
President and Chief of the Army Staff,
Islamabad,
Pakistan.


HAHAHA, thats Osama's mailing adress eh? who on here is denying that!



When I sent him a Chanukah card, that's how I addressed it..

I know it got to him, because he sent me back a Christmas card that said, "Die, FILTH Zionist Sympothizer"

Of course it was contaminated with Anthrax.. the bastard.. I had to go on that antibiotic for a week

bman

[bigearth]

Mr Osama bin Laden,
Amir, al-Qaeda,
Care of General Pervez Musharraf,
President and Chief of the Army Staff,
Islamabad,
Pakistan.


HAHAHA, thats Osama's mailing adress eh? who on here is denying that!
me, i am pouring cold water onto ANY suggestion that 'musharref and osama are in cahoots'...

it's simply laughable...although candypreet will agree with you wholeheartedly!

it's gonna come out in the wash, probably quite soon...should have happend 3 years ago...but hey, failure is bu$h's middle name!

(how's your ring, btw?!)

[SCHICK]

He was indeed. His capture was a BIG BIG deal.
Obviously a much "BIGGER" deal than capturing Binnie,I think not,figurehead or not,hes the one.

[CHE]

seeing as people have been saying this for 4 years now, i suspect that he has moved...

YGTR!!!

http://kd4dcy.net/rthumor/7-11osama.jpg

[CHE]

Oops...dbl post

[Lone Star]

I think Bin Laden is a coward.If he is caught he will wimper out like Saddam did.
He will probably use the Pakistan Card (and who-ever else???) and turn on "his mates" as they have him.He probably is in fact dead, killed by US Forces without solid proof for Jihadi purposes, keeping the legend alive so they say...

[candypreet]

so where is he?

[candypreet]

a bump again

[bigearth]

a bump again
candy, without bin laden, the neo-cons are nothing.

they need him alive and blowing shit up, to remain in power...


wouldn't it be a dum thing to do for american to catch him?


the shite house needs a clean out...a top to toe, disinfectant scrub down...

maybe hiliary's good with a mop?!

[candypreet]

candy, without bin laden, the neo-cons are nothing.

they need him alive and blowing shit up, to remain in power...


wouldn't it be a dum thing to do for american to catch him?


the shite house needs a clean out...a top to toe, disinfectant scrub down...

maybe hiliary's good with a mop?!

I know, politics is a dirty four letter word. sad. but true

[candypreet]

unday, November 05, 2006

Taliban said to have ‘de facto sanctuary’ in Pakistan





http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C11%5C05%5Cstory_5-11-2006_pg7_17

[candypreet]

happynew year 2007

[candypreet]

Osama is in Chitral: US experts

http://www.dawn.com/2007/09/09/top9.htm

Osama is in Chitral: US experts




By Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Sept 8: Osama bin Laden is in Chitral, US experts have claimed while commenting on Al Qaeda leader’s latest video in which he has taunted America for losing the war against him. Several US television channels and newspapers quoted US counter-terrorism experts as saying that bin Laden is hiding in Chitral because it is remote and its rugged terrain makes it impossible for Pakistani forces to look for him there. There’s enough evidence “to persuade intelligence analysts that it’s his most likely location,” an expert told CBS.

Daniel Benjamin of the Brookings Institute says that the Al Qaeda chief also has sympathisers in that area. “They have a code of hospitality for guests, and they’ve probably also gotten a fair amount of money from bin Laden,” said Mr Benjamin who tried to track bin Laden down during the Clinton administration.

He believes bin Laden is surrounded by bodyguards armed with surface-to-air missiles and good intelligence.

“I think it’s quite likely he has a very good early warning system (and) that there are perimeters set up so people know who’s coming and going in the area that he’s living,” Mr Benjamin said.

Michael Scheuer, a former CIA analyst and author of three books on Al Qaeda and terrorism, disagrees with this theory. “I think they’re blowing a little bit of smoke. They have to say something now that he is back in the public eye,” he told CBS.

“If you look at the territory, it is impossible to find any single person up there, and we don’t have enough people to do it, and we respect Pakistan’s sovereignty. I guess they’re not going to go into Pakistan.”