What do you guys think ever happened to the AQ big wigs we caught?

[Motley]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

[NYC]

Remember this guy? Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Omar_Saeed_Sheikh

http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Ahmed%20Omar%20Saeed%20Sheikh%20%22&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&scoring=d&tab=wn

He get's 1 hit in Google news now

[NYC]

Or Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (we never caught him)

http://news.google.com/news?q=Gulbuddin%20Hekmatyar&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wn

at least he get's 150

[NYC]

And remeber this? I wonder what happened to these guys?


Iran 'holding senior al Qaeda men'
Thursday, July 24, 2003 Posted: 1:02 AM EDT (0502 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Four top al Qaeda leaders are in custody in Iran, including the terrorist group's military leader and its spokesman, U.S. officials say.

The four have been in custody for at least six weeks, U.S. officials told CNN terrorism expert Peter Bergen on Wednesday.

Saif Al Adel, al Qaeda's military chief, is one of those in custody, as is Suleiman Abu Ghaith, along with two other al Qaeda members, the officials said.

http://www.peterbergen.com/clients/PeterBergen/pbergen.nsf/Web00002Show?OpenForm&ParentUNID=257C7B6DFBEB39DA85256D6D005EAA2C

[Motley]

And remeber this? I wonder what happened to these guys?


Iran 'holding senior al Qaeda men'
Thursday, July 24, 2003 Posted: 1:02 AM EDT (0502 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Four top al Qaeda leaders are in custody in Iran, including the terrorist group's military leader and its spokesman, U.S. officials say.

The four have been in custody for at least six weeks, U.S. officials told CNN terrorism expert Peter Bergen on Wednesday.

Saif Al Adel, al Qaeda's military chief, is one of those in custody, as is Suleiman Abu Ghaith, along with two other al Qaeda members, the officials said.

http://www.peterbergen.com/clients/PeterBergen/pbergen.nsf/Web00002Show?OpenForm&ParentUNID=257C7B6DFBEB39DA85256D6D005EAA2C

I'm thinking of Ramsey Bin Alwhatever, and the Ron Jeremy look alike whos name is escaping me right now.

I sometimes think.... wtf happened to them? Were they killed (cool with me), are they in an airplane that flies 24 hours a day where they are tortured non-stop? (ok with me). Will they ever go to trial, or have they jus`t vanished never to be seen again?

[NYC]

Here you go Motley

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed a.k.a. Ron Jeremy

http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Khalid%20Sheikh%20Mohammed%22&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-33,GGLD:en&sa=N&tab=wn

[Motley]

Here you go Motley

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed a.k.a. Ron Jeremy

http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Khalid%20Sheikh%20Mohammed%22&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-33,GGLD:en&sa=N&tab=wn

Aye, but nobody mentions (that I can see), what happened to them after they were captured? It looks to me like they fell off the face of the earth after capture.

[NYC]

Read the New Yorker story

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa_fact6

[Motley]

Read the New Yorker story

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa_fact6

whoa! holy shit! :D

So do you think those two guys will ever be seen again?

[NYC]

Who knows! a year from now they may suddenly be our best buddies

[Catwoman]

whoa! holy shit! :D

So do you think those two guys will ever be seen again?

Never. I wonder if they are still alive even.

[Professor]

I think they are in confinement, but will probably not see the light of day again.

[Ernie]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

I am sure they are in good hands...
http://www.infowars.com/headline_photos/iraqi_torture/cuffed.jpg

[lotimer]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

Unless the supreme court or another powerful federal court intervenes then no we probably won't hear about their status or whereabouts. They are probably being held at some military prison no doubt, most likely within the U.S. or on a base in the UK or Germany.

[PeaceBomb]

Now, this post may belong in the conspiracy theories thread, but hear me out anyways.

The captured terrorists are no longer alive as we knew them. A secret branch of the CIA called the "Skull" team has extracted the brains of these individuals and connected them to a powerful computer capable of utilizing and interpreting every function of the human mind.

Or, maybe they're in some prison cell with a car battery hooked up to their nuts getting probed in the rear with a metal pole -- who can know for sure? :)

[Catwoman]

Unless the supreme court or another powerful federal court intervenes then no we probably won't hear about their status or whereabouts. They are probably being held at some military prison no doubt, most likely within the U.S. or on a base in the UK or Germany.

Nope, not in a base in the the continental Us, or Europe. Forget Gitmo, cause the US supreme Court is having a say on that.Try a US military base in the middle of Indonesia for a start.

[Catwoman]

Now, this post may belong in the conspiracy theories thread, but hear me out anyways.

The captured terrorists are no longer alive as we knew them. A secret branch of the CIA called the "Skull" team has extracted the brains of these individuals and connected them to a powerful computer capable of utilizing and interpreting every function of the human mind.

Or, maybe they're in some prison cell with a car battery hooked up to their nuts getting probed in the rear with a metal pole -- who can know for sure? :)

Yep. You belong in conspirancy theories!

[Buffy]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

I think they are working in all the Diamond Shamrock gas stations in Houston. Those guys are very pissed about something.

[el_diablo]

Nope, not in a base in the the continental Us, or Europe. Forget Gitmo, cause the US supreme Court is having a say on that.Try a US military base in the middle of Indonesia for a start.they may not be in US hands at this point. countries like jordan and egypt have very liberal, uh, prisoner treatment laws.

[Bag Sniper]

Well I sure enjoyed reading that article in the New Yorker ... that's the kinda shit you sit around and wonder if that stuff really happens ... warmed my heart to know it does ....

As far as the "innocent" guys go ... oh well ... shit happens dude ... better you than my countrymen .... here's a quarter {fling} .... go call someone who gives a shit ....

As far as the bad guys go I could give a runny shit what happens to them nor do I care what laws are broken ....

I don't see all those fuckin lawyers beating down the doors of the 9-11 victims and their families going after all the perpetrators .... so fuck them too.

And who was it in the article, Coleman maybe, who asked .. OK we can't bring them to trial (because of the torture) so what do we do with them ... hold them forever ?

Nope .... you fly off in that Gulf Stream ... get over the middle of the Atlantic and then open the hatch, stand the guy in the doorway and then toss a bottle of Bud Light out the door .... end of problem.

The minute people lose their focus of attention on the safety of the American people and start feeling a twinge of guilt or pity for the mother fuckers who are *still* planning on whacking US again then here's hoping you get a polite knock on your door at midnight .... I won't miss you at all ...

[Bman]

Remember the guy that beheaded Daniel Pearl and wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta? The same guy with the links to the Paki ISI and the US CIA??

Here's an update



The Guardian (London) - Final Edition

September 10, 2005

Comment & Analysis: Britain now faces its own blowback: Intelligence interests may thwart the July bombings investigation

Michael Meacher


The videotape of the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan has switched the focus of the London bombings away from the establishment view of brainwashed, murderous individuals and highlighted a starker political reality. While there can be no justification for horrific killings of this kind, they need to be understood against the ferment of the last decade radicalising Muslim youth of Pakistani origin living in Europe.

During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, the US funded large numbers of jihadists through Pakistan's secret intelligence service, the ISI. Later the US wanted to raise another jihadi corps, again using proxies, to help Bosnian Muslims fight to weaken the Serb government's hold on Yugoslavia. Those they turned to included Pakistanis in Britain.

According to a recent report by the Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, a contingent was also sent by the Pakistani government, then led by Benazir Bhutto, at the request of the Clinton administration. This contingent was formed from the Harkat-ul-Ansar (HUA) terrorist group and trained by the ISI. The report estimates that about 200 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK went to Pakistan, trained in HUA camps and joined the HUA's contingent in Bosnia. Most significantly, this was "with the full knowledge and complicity of the British and American intelligence agencies".

As the 2002 Dutch government report on Bosnia makes clear, the US provided a green light to groups on the state department list of terrorist organisations, including the Lebanese-based Hizbullah, to operate in Bosnia - an episode that calls into question the credibility of the subsequent "war on terror".

For nearly a decade the US helped Islamist insurgents linked to Chechnya, Iran and Saudi Arabia destabilise the former Yugoslavia. The insurgents were also allowed to move further east to Kosovo. By the end of the fighting in Bosnia there were tens of thousands of Islamist insurgents in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo; many then moved west to Austria, Germany and Switzerland.

Less well known is evidence of the British government's relationship with a wider Islamist terrorist network. During an interview on Fox TV this summer, the former US federal prosecutor John Loftus reported that British intelligence had used the al-Muhajiroun group in London to recruit Islamist militants with British passports for the war against the Serbs in Kosovo. Since July Scotland Yard has been interested in an alleged member of al-Muhajiroun, Haroon Rashid Aswat, who some sources have suggested could have been behind the London bombings.

According to Loftus, Aswat was detained in Pakistan after leaving Britain, but was released after 24 hours. He was subsequently returned to Britain from Zambia, but has been detained solely for extradition to the US, not for questioning about the London bombings. Loftus claimed that Aswat is a British-backed double agent, pursued by the police but protected by MI6.

One British Muslim of Pakistani origin radicalised by the civil war in Yugoslavia was LSE-educated Omar Saeed Sheikh. He is now in jail in Pakistan under sentence of death for the killing of the US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 - although many (including Pearl's widow and the US authorities) doubt that he committed the murder. However, reports from Pakistan suggest that Sheikh continues to be active from jail, keeping in touch with friends and followers in Britain.

Sheikh was recruited as a student by Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Muhammad), which operates a network in Britain. It has actively recruited Britons from universities and colleges since the early 1990s, and has boasted of its numerous British Muslim volunteers. Investigations in Pakistan have suggested that on his visits there Shehzad Tanweer, one of the London suicide bombers, contacted members of two outlawed local groups and trained at two camps in Karachi and near Lahore. Indeed the network of groups now being uncovered in Pakistan may point to senior al-Qaida operatives having played a part in selecting members of the bombers' cell. The Observer Research Foundation has argued that there are even "grounds to suspect that the (London) blasts were orchestrated by Omar Sheikh from his jail in Pakistan".

Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $ 100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.

Yet neither Ahmed nor Omar appears to have been sought for questioning by the US about 9/11. Indeed, the official 9/11 Commission Report of July 2004 sought to downplay the role of Pakistan with the comment: "To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance" - a statement of breathtaking disingenuousness.

All this highlights the resistance to getting at the truth about the 9/11 attacks and to an effective crackdown on the forces fomenting terrorist bombings in the west, including Britain. The extraordinary US forbearance towards Omar Sheikh, its restraint towards the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb, Dr AQ Khan, selling nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea, the huge US military assistance to Pakistan and the US decision last year to designate Pakistan as a major non-Nato ally in south Asia all betoken a deeper strategic set of goals as the real priority in its relationship with Pakistan. These might be surmised as Pakistan providing sizeable military contingents for Iraq to replace US troops, or Pakistani troops replacing Nato forces in Afghanistan. Or it could involve the use of Pakistani military bases for US intervention in Iran, or strengthening Pakistan as a base in relation to India and China.

Whether the hunt for those behind the London bombers can prevail against these powerful political forces remains to be seen. Indeed it may depend on whether Scotland Yard, in its attempts to uncover the truth, can prevail over MI6, which is trying to cover its tracks and in practice has every opportunity to operate beyond the law under the cover of national security.

Michael Meacher is the Labour MP for Oldham West and Royton; he was environment minister from 1997 to 2003

massonm@parliament.uk

[Strike4ce]

Who knows! a year from now they may suddenly be our best buddies

That doesnt surprise me at all. I can see you and Motley, Bman and the terrorists as buddies.:add09:

[kosotone]

Some are being held aboard US Navy ships in international warters. Others are at a super secret detention center at "Diego Garcia" military base near India.

And perhaps a few others are spending their days in prisons in Thailand and Egypt.

[kosotone]

I would also like to add this...

Why are we at all interested in the well being of known terrorists that are involved in mass murder? We're not talking about those fake terrorists from
Iraq or United Kingdom. These guys are real and are a serious threat to any
society. Whatever harsh treatment they are facing each day certainly isn't
enough for the crimes against the world they have caused. If indeed they
are in some jail with a car battery connected to their balls.. I say connect
a few more batteries and shove a cactus up their asses.

These cowards deserve far worse than any sentence they will ever
recieve from the US.

[Bman]

I would also like to add this...

Why are we at all interested in the well being of known terrorists that are involved in mass murder? We're not talking about those fake terrorists from
Iraq or United Kingdom. These guys are real and are a serious threat to any
society. Whatever harsh treatment they are facing each day certainly isn't
enough for the crimes against the world they have caused. If indeed they
are in some jail with a car battery connected to their balls.. I say connect
a few more batteries and shove a cactus up their asses.

These cowards deserve far worse than any sentence they will ever
recieve from the US.



how about the ones that are protected from paying for their crimes?

What is your opinion about those ones?

[JustAVoice]

The problem is that some people on the extreme Left believe (as Al-Qaeda does) that the U.S. is the bigger evil.

It's fucked up I know...

[Bman]

The problem is that some people on the extreme Left believe (as Al-Qaeda does) that the U.S. is the bigger evil.

It's fucked up I know...

So that's why Omar Sheik is being protected in Pakistan?


And here I thought it was his ties to Pakistani ISI and the CIA...

Damn.. who knew Ted Kennedy had so much pull in Pakistan!

[kosotone]

how about the ones that are protected from paying for their crimes?

What is your opinion about those ones?


Nobody should be protected from justice..

If they are being protected.. It's just another fault of the US
and their criminal operations.

[kosotone]

So that's why Omar Sheik is being protected in Pakistan?


And here I thought it was his ties to Pakistani ISI and the CIA...

Damn.. who knew Ted Kennedy had so much pull in Pakistan!

Hahahaha

[Bman]

Nobody should be protected from justice..

If they are being protected.. It's just another fault of the US
and their criminal operations.



No one gives a shit.

Most americans apparently don't care if Osama, or anyone else behind 9/11 is ever brought to justice.

They just don't give a shit.

[Bman]

Remember the guy that beheaded Daniel Pearl and wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta? The same guy with the links to the Paki ISI and the US CIA??

Here's an update



The Guardian (London) - Final Edition

September 10, 2005

Comment & Analysis: Britain now faces its own blowback: Intelligence interests may thwart the July bombings investigation

Michael Meacher


The videotape of the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan has switched the focus of the London bombings away from the establishment view of brainwashed, murderous individuals and highlighted a starker political reality. While there can be no justification for horrific killings of this kind, they need to be understood against the ferment of the last decade radicalising Muslim youth of Pakistani origin living in Europe.

During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, the US funded large numbers of jihadists through Pakistan's secret intelligence service, the ISI. Later the US wanted to raise another jihadi corps, again using proxies, to help Bosnian Muslims fight to weaken the Serb government's hold on Yugoslavia. Those they turned to included Pakistanis in Britain.

According to a recent report by the Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, a contingent was also sent by the Pakistani government, then led by Benazir Bhutto, at the request of the Clinton administration. This contingent was formed from the Harkat-ul-Ansar (HUA) terrorist group and trained by the ISI. The report estimates that about 200 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK went to Pakistan, trained in HUA camps and joined the HUA's contingent in Bosnia. Most significantly, this was "with the full knowledge and complicity of the British and American intelligence agencies".

As the 2002 Dutch government report on Bosnia makes clear, the US provided a green light to groups on the state department list of terrorist organisations, including the Lebanese-based Hizbullah, to operate in Bosnia - an episode that calls into question the credibility of the subsequent "war on terror".

For nearly a decade the US helped Islamist insurgents linked to Chechnya, Iran and Saudi Arabia destabilise the former Yugoslavia. The insurgents were also allowed to move further east to Kosovo. By the end of the fighting in Bosnia there were tens of thousands of Islamist insurgents in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo; many then moved west to Austria, Germany and Switzerland.

Less well known is evidence of the British government's relationship with a wider Islamist terrorist network. During an interview on Fox TV this summer, the former US federal prosecutor John Loftus reported that British intelligence had used the al-Muhajiroun group in London to recruit Islamist militants with British passports for the war against the Serbs in Kosovo. Since July Scotland Yard has been interested in an alleged member of al-Muhajiroun, Haroon Rashid Aswat, who some sources have suggested could have been behind the London bombings.

According to Loftus, Aswat was detained in Pakistan after leaving Britain, but was released after 24 hours. He was subsequently returned to Britain from Zambia, but has been detained solely for extradition to the US, not for questioning about the London bombings. Loftus claimed that Aswat is a British-backed double agent, pursued by the police but protected by MI6.

One British Muslim of Pakistani origin radicalised by the civil war in Yugoslavia was LSE-educated Omar Saeed Sheikh. He is now in jail in Pakistan under sentence of death for the killing of the US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 - although many (including Pearl's widow and the US authorities) doubt that he committed the murder. However, reports from Pakistan suggest that Sheikh continues to be active from jail, keeping in touch with friends and followers in Britain.

Sheikh was recruited as a student by Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Muhammad), which operates a network in Britain. It has actively recruited Britons from universities and colleges since the early 1990s, and has boasted of its numerous British Muslim volunteers. Investigations in Pakistan have suggested that on his visits there Shehzad Tanweer, one of the London suicide bombers, contacted members of two outlawed local groups and trained at two camps in Karachi and near Lahore. Indeed the network of groups now being uncovered in Pakistan may point to senior al-Qaida operatives having played a part in selecting members of the bombers' cell. The Observer Research Foundation has argued that there are even "grounds to suspect that the (London) blasts were orchestrated by Omar Sheikh from his jail in Pakistan".

Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $ 100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.

Yet neither Ahmed nor Omar appears to have been sought for questioning by the US about 9/11. Indeed, the official 9/11 Commission Report of July 2004 sought to downplay the role of Pakistan with the comment: "To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance" - a statement of breathtaking disingenuousness.

All this highlights the resistance to getting at the truth about the 9/11 attacks and to an effective crackdown on the forces fomenting terrorist bombings in the west, including Britain. The extraordinary US forbearance towards Omar Sheikh, its restraint towards the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb, Dr AQ Khan, selling nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea, the huge US military assistance to Pakistan and the US decision last year to designate Pakistan as a major non-Nato ally in south Asia all betoken a deeper strategic set of goals as the real priority in its relationship with Pakistan. These might be surmised as Pakistan providing sizeable military contingents for Iraq to replace US troops, or Pakistani troops replacing Nato forces in Afghanistan. Or it could involve the use of Pakistani military bases for US intervention in Iran, or strengthening Pakistan as a base in relation to India and China.

Whether the hunt for those behind the London bombers can prevail against these powerful political forces remains to be seen. Indeed it may depend on whether Scotland Yard, in its attempts to uncover the truth, can prevail over MI6, which is trying to cover its tracks and in practice has every opportunity to operate beyond the law under the cover of national security.

Michael Meacher is the Labour MP for Oldham West and Royton; he was environment minister from 1997 to 2003

massonm@parliament.uk




Make that 33 times :add09:

what a fucking joke


Pakistan Newswire

October 13, 2005 Thursday


Hearing of Omer Sheikh's appeal adjourned

Karachi, Oct 13

Sindh High Court Thursday adjourned hearing of appeals filed Ahmed Omer Sheikh and others against their conviction in kidnapping and killing conspiracy case of US journalist Daniel Pearl.

The matter could not proceed due to absence of one of defence counsel Rai Basheer. SHC's division bench comprising Justice Ghulam Rabbani and Justice Azizullah M Memon adjourned the hearing till November 15, 2005.

The main accused Ahmed Omer Sheikh was sentenced to death on charges of kidnapping & killing US journalist, and his three accomplices Fahad Naseem, Syed Salman Saqib and Sheikh Muhammad Adil were sentenced to life imprisonment, with fine of Rs.5, 00,000 each by ATC Hyderabad on July 15, 2002.

[Bman]

bump

[Fictious Actor]

I hope that they are not just in detention........ I hope that they are flying 1st class on the Torture Jet from nation to nation.... for a little beating here.... little burning there.... little Def Leopard here.... little stack the nakie guy there.....

[Bman]

I hope that they are not just in detention........ I hope that they are flying 1st class on the Torture Jet from nation to nation.... for a little beating here.... little burning there.... little Def Leopard here.... little stack the nakie guy there.....


You obviously didn't read the thread.

Sheikh has been sentenced to death but its on appeal and has now been delayed for the 33rd time.

Other articles state that Sheikh is still running terrorist operations from his cell, and has converted his jailers to "jihad", etc, etc.

Whatever the case, I would be extremely surprised if this guy is ever actually executed, given his ties to Paki ISI

I have read that Pearl was actually looking into Paki ISI connections to Bin Laden and the ISI had Sheikh kill him.

[Fictious Actor]

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Sheikh has been sentenced to death but its on appeal and has now been delayed for the 33rd time.

Other articles state that Sheikh is still running terrorist operations from his cell, and has converted his jailers to "jihad", etc, etc.

Whatever the case, I would be extremely surprised if this guy is ever actually executed, given his ties to Paki ISI

I have read that Pearl was actually looking into Paki ISI connections to Bin Laden and the ISI had Sheikh kill him.

Oh damn...... got me..... I didn't read it...... Fuck.....!

Are you omnipresent........?

I was busy reading the .... ummm..... the...... the really good threads started by Motley.....

Now I guess that I have to read it....... oh wait.... Truthsayer just posted....... no time!

[sidthereal]

if somebody has access, could they post the whole thing..
this is a good magazine
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200310/bowden

[Firecat]

What do you guys think ever happened to the AQ big wigs we caught?

Well obviously it's crippled al-Qaeda.

:add09:

At least that's what Bush told us. He said


"More than three-quarters of al Qaeda's key members and associates have been detained or killed."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040911-3.html

He pulled that number out of the butthole of The Lord. I guess once in a while they have to "ketch" a new high-ranker just to keep the Red State Rubes in line.

[SCHICK]

Make that 33 times :add09:

what a fucking joke


Pakistan Newswire

October 13, 2005 Thursday


Hearing of Omer Sheikh's appeal adjourned

Karachi, Oct 13

Sindh High Court Thursday adjourned hearing of appeals filed Ahmed Omer Sheikh and others against their conviction in kidnapping and killing conspiracy case of US journalist Daniel Pearl.

The matter could not proceed due to absence of one of defence counsel Rai Basheer. SHC's division bench comprising Justice Ghulam Rabbani and Justice Azizullah M Memon adjourned the hearing till November 15, 2005.

The main accused Ahmed Omer Sheikh was sentenced to death on charges of kidnapping & killing US journalist, and his three accomplices Fahad Naseem, Syed Salman Saqib and Sheikh Muhammad Adil were sentenced to life imprisonment, with fine of Rs.5, 00,000 each by ATC Hyderabad on July 15, 2002.

Fascinating,great article

[Bman]

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Sheikh has been sentenced to death but its on appeal and has now been delayed for the 33rd time.

Other articles state that Sheikh is still running terrorist operations from his cell, and has converted his jailers to "jihad", etc, etc.

Whatever the case, I would be extremely surprised if this guy is ever actually executed, given his ties to Paki ISI

I have read that Pearl was actually looking into Paki ISI connections to Bin Laden and the ISI had Sheikh kill him.


The Pakistan Newswire

October 3, 2005 Monday


SAEED: Umer a British agent

ISLMABAD, October 03


Umer Saeed Shaikh the man convicted and sentence in Karachi for killing a British journalist Daniel Pearl is a recognised agent of British intelligence agency M-I Six and was sent abroad for military training.

This has been revealed by former British Secretary Michal Major who in an article published in Daily Guardian said that the British secret agency recruited some 200 Muslim youth for Jihad in Kosovo.

The former British Secretary disclosed that the secret agencies of Britain and the United States are opposing death penalty to Umer Saeed Sheikh because he is a double agent and his death may lead to sensational revelations which will prove that the British and U. S. agencies were using terrorists. Michel Major added that those youth involved in 9/11 incidents had also contacts with the U. S. and British secret agencies.

[Bag Sniper]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

Ever the caring terrorist cheerleader eh Bboy .... only you really gives a shit ... sorry to hear your Club Jihad has a shit load of your membership missing ....

Uhhmmmm yeah ... I'm real sorry ... :add01:

[Bman]

Ever the caring terrorist cheerleader eh Bboy .... only you really gives a shit ... sorry to hear your Club Jihad has a shit load of your membership missing ....

Uhhmmmm yeah ... I'm real sorry ... :add01:


Numbnuts... You're reponding to Motley, not me. Try to sober up before posting eh?

[Catwoman]

The Pakistan Newswire

October 3, 2005 Monday


SAEED: Umer a British agent

ISLMABAD, October 03


Umer Saeed Shaikh the man convicted and sentence in Karachi for killing a British journalist Daniel Pearl is a recognised agent of British intelligence agency M-I Six and was sent abroad for military training.

This has been revealed by former British Secretary Michal Major who in an article published in Daily Guardian said that the British secret agency recruited some 200 Muslim youth for Jihad in Kosovo.

The former British Secretary disclosed that the secret agencies of Britain and the United States are opposing death penalty to Umer Saeed Sheikh because he is a double agent and his death may lead to sensational revelations which will prove that the British and U. S. agencies were using terrorists. Michel Major added that those youth involved in 9/11 incidents had also contacts with the U. S. and British secret agencies.

OMFG!

[Bman]

OMFG!


That would surprise you??

[Bman]

I believe this is the article from The Guardian, that is in question



The Guardian (London) - Final Edition

September 10, 2005


Comment & Analysis: Britain now faces its own blowback: Intelligence interests may thwart the July bombings investigation

Michael Meacher


The videotape of the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan has switched the focus of the London bombings away from the establishment view of brainwashed, murderous individuals and highlighted a starker political reality. While there can be no justification for horrific killings of this kind, they need to be understood against the ferment of the last decade radicalising Muslim youth of Pakistani origin living in Europe.

During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, the US funded large numbers of jihadists through Pakistan's secret intelligence service, the ISI. Later the US wanted to raise another jihadi corps, again using proxies, to help Bosnian Muslims fight to weaken the Serb government's hold on Yugoslavia. Those they turned to included Pakistanis in Britain.

According to a recent report by the Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, a contingent was also sent by the Pakistani government, then led by Benazir Bhutto, at the request of the Clinton administration. This contingent was formed from the Harkat-ul-Ansar (HUA) terrorist group and trained by the ISI. The report estimates that about 200 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK went to Pakistan, trained in HUA camps and joined the HUA's contingent in Bosnia. Most significantly, this was "with the full knowledge and complicity of the British and American intelligence agencies".

As the 2002 Dutch government report on Bosnia makes clear, the US provided a green light to groups on the state department list of terrorist organisations, including the Lebanese-based Hizbullah, to operate in Bosnia - an episode that calls into question the credibility of the subsequent "war on terror".

For nearly a decade the US helped Islamist insurgents linked to Chechnya, Iran and Saudi Arabia destabilise the former Yugoslavia. The insurgents were also allowed to move further east to Kosovo. By the end of the fighting in Bosnia there were tens of thousands of Islamist insurgents in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo; many then moved west to Austria, Germany and Switzerland.

Less well known is evidence of the British government's relationship with a wider Islamist terrorist network. During an interview on Fox TV this summer, the former US federal prosecutor John Loftus reported that British intelligence had used the al-Muhajiroun group in London to recruit Islamist militants with British passports for the war against the Serbs in Kosovo. Since July Scotland Yard has been interested in an alleged member of al-Muhajiroun, Haroon Rashid Aswat, who some sources have suggested could have been behind the London bombings.

According to Loftus, Aswat was detained in Pakistan after leaving Britain, but was released after 24 hours. He was subsequently returned to Britain from Zambia, but has been detained solely for extradition to the US, not for questioning about the London bombings. Loftus claimed that Aswat is a British-backed double agent, pursued by the police but protected by MI6.

One British Muslim of Pakistani origin radicalised by the civil war in Yugoslavia was LSE-educated Omar Saeed Sheikh. He is now in jail in Pakistan under sentence of death for the killing of the US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 - although many (including Pearl's widow and the US authorities) doubt that he committed the murder. However, reports from Pakistan suggest that Sheikh continues to be active from jail, keeping in touch with friends and followers in Britain.

Sheikh was recruited as a student by Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Muhammad), which operates a network in Britain. It has actively recruited Britons from universities and colleges since the early 1990s, and has boasted of its numerous British Muslim volunteers. Investigations in Pakistan have suggested that on his visits there Shehzad Tanweer, one of the London suicide bombers, contacted members of two outlawed local groups and trained at two camps in Karachi and near Lahore. Indeed the network of groups now being uncovered in Pakistan may point to senior al-Qaida operatives having played a part in selecting members of the bombers' cell. The Observer Research Foundation has argued that there are even "grounds to suspect that the (London) blasts were orchestrated by Omar Sheikh from his jail in Pakistan".

Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $ 100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.

Yet neither Ahmed nor Omar appears to have been sought for questioning by the US about 9/11. Indeed, the official 9/11 Commission Report of July 2004 sought to downplay the role of Pakistan with the comment: "To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance" - a statement of breathtaking disingenuousness.

All this highlights the resistance to getting at the truth about the 9/11 attacks and to an effective crackdown on the forces fomenting terrorist bombings in the west, including Britain. The extraordinary US forbearance towards Omar Sheikh, its restraint towards the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb, Dr AQ Khan, selling nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea, the huge US military assistance to Pakistan and the US decision last year to designate Pakistan as a major non-Nato ally in south Asia all betoken a deeper strategic set of goals as the real priority in its relationship with Pakistan. These might be surmised as Pakistan providing sizeable military contingents for Iraq to replace US troops, or Pakistani troops replacing Nato forces in Afghanistan. Or it could involve the use of Pakistani military bases for US intervention in Iran, or strengthening Pakistan as a base in relation to India and China.

Whether the hunt for those behind the London bombers can prevail against these powerful political forces remains to be seen. Indeed it may depend on whether Scotland Yard, in its attempts to uncover the truth, can prevail over MI6, which is trying to cover its tracks and in practice has every opportunity to operate beyond the law under the cover of national security.

Michael Meacher is the Labour MP for Oldham West and Royton; he was environment minister from 1997 to 2003

massonm@parliament.uk

[Bag Sniper]

Numbnuts... You're reponding to Motley, not me. Try to sober up before posting eh?

Moldy, Bboy ... whatever .. .same skirt .. same sweater .. same pom poms ... BFD ...

[overwatch]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

They're helping with inquiries in British Indian Ocean Territory. Odds of them making old age, none. Odds of them being fed to the sharks when they have providied all the useful information they have, high.

Odds of anyone really giving a toss about what happened to the terrorist fucks, zero. Odds that the Red Cross have been kept happy that they're all fine by being allowed visits to Ron Jeremy pretending to be Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, you never know. ;)

[OldGit]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.

Well they're being tortured of course - not in the United States because it's illegal there. No doubt they are in some neat third party country where the law is not so scrupulous as here where we are all civilised and abhor such things.

[overwatch]

Well they're being tortured of course - not in the United States because it's illegal there. No doubt they are in some neat third party country where the law is not so scrupulous as here where we are all civilised and abhor such things.

Don't start taking the moral high ground on this one mate. We're talking high ranking al qaeda leaders here, not some spotty 17 year old who got a bit jihad fond on the net. These fucks only purpose on earth is to provide all the info they can, of course they are given a very hard time if they don't provide it off the bat and the info that is tortured out of them saves lives and I have no issue with that and nor should any sane person. Harming the unproven is wrong, using all effective methods on the admitted and known guilty islamist terrorist who won't tell all is a very different thing.

[truthway]

Does anyone think that the threat ends by capturing, torturing, killing... bla bla those Men? Of course NOT.
US govt, by its fool policy, via its idiot leader, is making Muslims getting crasier ... it's encouraging them to do whatever they can to stop what they consider as a crusade campaign.
Thinks are getting worse... the evidence is that the US "evil" Govt is asking Taliban for a dialogue!
Moreover, The Iraqi predident (US's tail) said he won't refuse any dialog proposed by AQ leaders!
Winners never ask for dialogs, am I right?

---------

[Ono]

It will end.....eventually.

[stewey]

I would assume once we have gotten all data we need from them, they are just imprisoned.

Not much else you can do with them, besides killing them, although that would have its backlashes too (other captives wouldnt talk for fear of death after getting the information).

[OldGit]

Don't start taking the moral high ground on this one mate. We're talking high ranking al qaeda leaders here, not some spotty 17 year old who got a bit jihad fond on the net. These fucks only purpose on earth is to provide all the info they can, of course they are given a very hard time if they don't provide it off the bat and the info that is tortured out of them saves lives and I have no issue with that and nor should any sane person. Harming the unproven is wrong, using all effective methods on the admitted and known guilty islamist terrorist who won't tell all is a very different thing.

What does the law say about that OW? I'm not too clear. I'm sure you think we should abide by the law, having just read of your support for the Official Secrets Act and how it stands between us and anarchy. What stands between us and barbarism, old chap?

[emtae]

I am sure they are in good hands...
http://www.infowars.com/headline_photos/iraqi_torture/cuffed.jpg

Yeah, they probably died of embarassment!

[Kdfk]

I don't know what happens to them...but if what is happening in Yemen to turn the extremist terrorists around is any indication of what can be done....
Perhaps they can use this as a model and then get these men to publicly come out and say, "I was wrong, I did things in the name of Islam that were evil....I listened to the Shaytan instead of following Allah. Please do not follow the same path that I did and listen to the Shaytan....follow Allah and your Quran...not man." and then they should leave them in prison for the rest of their lives while sending letters to all the families they have wronged by doing the deeds they have done apologizing until their very last breath.....never to see sunlight or the outside world again alive.

[overwatch]

What does the law say about that OW? I'm not too clear. I'm sure you think we should abide by the law, having just read of your support for the Official Secrets Act and how it stands between us and anarchy. What stands between us and barbarism, old chap?

The law says the SIS can do whatever they like outside the UK, provided it is deemed neccessary by the FS or delegated authorisee in the FCO.

In longhand the relevant section is this -


Authorisation of acts outside the British Islands.

7.—(1) If, apart from this section, a person would be liable in the United Kingdom for any act done outside the British Islands, he shall not be so liable if the act is one which is authorised to be done by virtue of an authorisation given by the Secretary of State under this section.

(2) In subsection (1) above "liable in the United Kingdom" means liable under the criminal or civil law of any part of the United Kingdom.

(3) The Secretary of State shall not give an authorisation under this section unless he is satisfied—

(a) that any acts which may be done in reliance on the authorisation or, as the case may be, the operation in the course of which the acts may be done will be necessary for the proper discharge of a function of the Intelligence Service; and

(b) that there are satisfactory arrangements in force to secure—
(i) that nothing will be done in reliance on the authorisation beyond what is necessary for the proper discharge of a function of the Intelligence Service; and
(ii) that, in so far as any acts may be done in reliance on the authorisation, their nature and likely consequences will be reasonable, having regard to the purposes for which they are carried out; and

(c) that there are satisfactory arrangements in force under section 2(2)(a) above with respect to the disclosure of information obtained by virtue of this section and that any information obtained by virtue of anything done in reliance on the authorisation will be subject to those arrangements.

(4) Without prejudice to the generality of the power of the Secretary of State to give an authorisation under this section, such an authorisation—

(a) may relate to a particular act or acts, to acts of a description specified in the authorisation or to acts undertaken in the course of an operation so specified;

(b) may be limited to a particular person or persons of a description so specified; and

(c) may be subject to conditions so specified.

(5) An authorisation shall not be given under this section except—

(a) under the hand of the Secretary of State; or

(b) in an urgent case where the Secretary of State has expressly authorised it to be given and a statement of that fact is endorsed on it, under the hand of a senior official of his department.

(6) An authorisation shall, unless renewed under subsection (7) below, cease to have effect—

(a) if the authorisation was given under the hand of the Secretary of State, at the end of the period of six months beginning with the day on which it was given;

(b) in any other case, at the end of the period ending with the second working day following the day on which it was given.

(7) If at any time before the day on which an authorisation would cease to have effect the Secretary of State considers it necessary for the authorisation to continue to have effect for the purpose for which it was given, he may by an instrument under his hand renew it for a period of six months beginning with that day.

(8) The Secretary of State shall cancel an authorisation if he is satisfied that any act authorised by it is no longer necessary.

As far as what the law says about what Americans can do in British Colonies like Diego Garcia, provided they pay their rent for their sovereign base area the law makes no comment as it is their responsibility to set legal codes for the area rented to them.

[overwatch]

I don't know what happens to them...but if what is happening in Yemen to turn the extremist terrorists around is any indication of what can be done....
Perhaps they can use this as a model and then get these men to publicly come out and say, "I was wrong, I did things in the name of Islam that were evil....I listened to the Shaytan instead of following Allah. Please do not follow the same path that I did and listen to the Shaytan....follow Allah and your Quran...not man." and then they should leave them in prison for the rest of their lives while sending letters to all the families they have wronged by doing the deeds they have done apologizing until their very last breath.....never to see sunlight or the outside world again alive.

Sheikh al-Hitar and his colleagues work has been very impresive and I do think we need to develope a system which provides a similar approach for certain categories of prisoner. The young and dumb who have been captured before getting involved in anything too bad this could work for, for senior al qaeda guys, not appropriate in my view. The senior guys have chosen their path and the plots they have spun need to be uncovered and that saving of innocent lives must be the priority in the case of enemy opperatives and leaders who are known to have information which they are concealing.

For the dumb online jihadi kidz the al-Hitar model could very well work however and I'd be interested to see it looked at here if suitable imams could be found.

[Kdfk]

Sheikh al-Hitar and his colleagues work has been very impresive and I do think we need to develope a system which provides a similar approach for certain categories of prisoner. The young and dumb who have been captured before getting involved in anything too bad this could work for, for senior al qaeda guys, not appropriate in my view. The senior guys have chosen their path and the plots they have spun need to be uncovered and that saving of innocent lives must be the priority in the case of enemy opperatives and leaders who are known to have information which they are concealing.

For the dumb online jihadi kidz the al-Hitar model could very well work however and I'd be interested to see it looked at here if suitable imams could be found.


It is quite a good example of what can be done. They are specifically targeting the young and "dumb" so to speak....they take advantage of them and use them to do the evil deeds they are afraid to do themselves because they know that by doing them themselves, they have definitely no "excuse" in front of Allah on Judgement Day.

[Bman]

They go free. Or they simply walk out of a US military prison in Afghanistan... Or Bush simpy let's them go.

Perhaps they "know" too much.. Perhaps they work for the CIA... Who knows


The Washington Post

January 30, 2006 Monday
Final Edition


Al Qaeda Detainee's Mysterious Release;
Moroccan Spoke Of Aiding Bin Laden During 2001 Escape

Craig Whitlock, Washington Post Foreign Service

RABAT, Morocco


For more than a decade, Osama bin Laden had few soldiers more devoted than Abdallah Tabarak. A former Moroccan transit worker, Tabarak served as a bodyguard for the al Qaeda leader, worked on his farm in Sudan and helped run a gemstone smuggling racket in Afghanistan, court records here show.

During the battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, when al Qaeda leaders were pinned down by U.S. forces, Tabarak sacrificed himself to engineer their escape. He headed toward the Pakistani border while making calls on Osama bin Laden's satellite phone as bin Laden and the others fled in the other direction.

Tabarak was captured and taken to the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where he was classified as such a high-value prisoner that the Pentagon repeatedly denied requests by the International Committee of the Red Cross to see him. Then, after spending almost three years at the base, he was suddenly released.

Today, the al Qaeda loyalist known locally as the "emir" of Guantanamo walks the streets of his old neighborhood near Casablanca, more or less a free man. In a decision that neither the Pentagon nor Moroccan officials will explain publicly, Tabarak was transferred to Morocco in August 2004 and released from police custody four months later.

Tabarak's odyssey from Afghanistan to Guantanamo and back to his native land illustrates the grit and at times fanatical determination of one bin Laden recruit. Yet his story also shows how little is known publicly about al Qaeda figures who were captured after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Major gaps remain in his account, and terrorism experts and intelligence officials continue to debate whether he was a member of al Qaeda's inner circle or its rank and file.

His case also highlights mysteries of U.S. priorities in deciding who to keep and who to let go. As the Pentagon gears up to hold its first military tribunals at Guantanamo after four years of preparations, it has released a prisoner it called a key operative. At the same time, it retains under heavy guard men whose background and significance are never discussed.

Eighteen months after he left Guantanamo, Tabarak, 50, still faces minor criminal offenses in Rabat, the capital, such as passport forgery and conspiracy. But his attorney predicts that it's only a matter of time before the case is dropped and all allegations of terrorist activities are dismissed.

The attorney, Abdelfattah Zahrach, said his client's importance as an al Qaeda figure has been exaggerated, although he acknowledged that Tabarak knew bin Laden and worked for one of his companies.

"He was in bin Laden's environment, but he didn't play an operational role," Zahrach said. "Do you think that if he was really the bodyguard of bin Laden that the Americans would have let him come back to Morocco?"

A review of Moroccan court documents, including records of his interrogations by Moroccan investigators, shows the U.S. military had good reason to consider Tabarak a valuable catch. In addition to his firsthand knowledge of how bin Laden survived Tora Bora, he had worked for the al Qaeda leader since 1989 and was often at his side as he built the terrorist network from bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sudan.

According to the documents, details of which other foreign intelligence officials confirmed, Tabarak served as a jack-of-all-trades for members of the inner circle. For several years, he received his orders and a regular salary from Saeed Masri, an al Qaeda financier, military training camp leader and relative of bin Laden.

Tabarak also dedicated his family to the cause. One daughter, Asia, married a top al Qaeda operations commander, Abu Feraj Libi, who was captured in Pakistan in May 2005 and is blamed for assassination plots against Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

A son, Omar, fought alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan in late 2001 and was captured by Afghan allies of the Americans. When he was released in a prisoner swap, bin Laden threw a feast to celebrate, according to Tabarak's statements to interrogators.

Defense Department officials declined to say why Tabarak was released from Guantanamo, in August 2004, when he and four other Moroccan detainees were handed over to authorities in Rabat. "The decision to transfer or release a detainee is based on many factors, including whether the detainee is of further intelligence value to the United States and whether the detainee is believed to pose a continuing threat to the United States if released," said Navy Lt. Cmdr. J.D. Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman.

According to interviews in Rabat with people who are familiar with Tabarak's case, however, Moroccan officials had pressed the U.S. military for many months to hand over Tabarak, arguing that they would have a better chance of persuading him to reveal secrets about al Qaeda.

Moroccan interrogators visited Tabarak and other Moroccan detainees at Guantanamo on two occasions and urged them to cooperate, according to his attorney and two fellow prisoners. "They came to see us and brought us coffee and sandwiches," said Mohammed Mazouz, one of the Moroccans who was later released with Tabarak. "But the Americans, they would just abuse us."

During a courtroom appearance in Rabat last year, Tabarak looked gaunt and wore a black baseball cap low on his forehead. After consenting to an interview through his attorney, he changed his mind at the last minute; guards in the courthouse audibly warned him not to speak with an American reporter.

In interviews with Arab journalists, Tabarak has given conflicting accounts, sometimes denying membership in al Qaeda or ties to bin Laden. But interrogation records show that he has described in detail to authorities a long and intimate connection with the network.

He left Morocco in 1989, he has said, on the advice of a mentor from a Casablanca mosque who urged him to become involved with Islamic fighters who were battling the communist-backed Afghan government.

After first making a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia, Tabarak recounted, he traveled to Pakistan, a staging area for guerrillas fighting in Afghanistan, and joined bin Laden's network. He received military training at two camps near Khost, Afghanistan, and met with bin Laden at a guest house in the Pakistani city of Peshawar.

Tabarak told his interrogators that he received the equivalent of $250 a month to help funnel foreign fighters into Afghanistan. When Pakistani authorities decided to crack down on outsiders in their country, he followed bin Laden to Sudan. There he worked on a farm raising cattle, served as a bodyguard and performed other tasks.

By the time bin Laden returned to Afghanistan in 1996, Tabarak was taking on more important roles. He said he worked for a while in a "precious stones" smuggling operation that raised money for al Qaeda. Eventually, he joined bin Laden's personal security detail, accompanying the Saudi on trips across the country to meet with other figures from al Qaeda and the Taliban movement.

Tabarak said he had no warning of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks but helped protect bin Laden after U.S. forces went to war in Afghanistan the following month. He said he spent 20 days hiding with bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders in Tora Bora, in rugged mountainous terrain near the Pakistani border, as U.S. forces and their Afghan militia proxies closed in.

According to Moroccan and other foreign intelligence officials, Tabarak sacrificed himself so the others could escape. He took bin Laden's satellite phone, which the al Qaeda leader apparently assumed was being tracked by U.S. spy technology, and walked toward the Pakistani border as the al Qaeda leadership fled in the opposite direction. The ruse worked, although Tabarak and others were captured.

"I escaped as part of a group that included mostly Saudis and Yemenis towards Pakistan, until we were arrested by Pakistani authorities at a border crossing point and then afterwards handed over to American authorities," he told Moroccan interrogators in August 2004.

Zahrach, Tabarak's attorney, confirmed that his client was caught near the border and handed over to the U.S. military. But he denied Tabarak helped bin Laden escape from Tora Bora. He dismissed the interrogation reports as forgeries. He said Moroccan officials have no evidence for their allegations but are too embarrassed to admit it.

"They have to charge him with something in Morocco to prevent him from talking," Zahrach said. "They have to keep him tied up in court and keep him under pressure." Tabarak's next scheduled court appearance is Friday in Rabat. Officials with the Moroccan Communications Ministry declined to comment on the case.

Mohammed Darif, a Moroccan terrorism analyst and political science professor, said Moroccan intelligence officials have overstated Tabarak's role in al Qaeda. He said bin Laden relied almost exclusively on fellow Saudis and tribal relatives from Yemen to provide for his personal safety and was unlikely to accept an uneducated, poor Moroccan into his inner circle.

"People who have known him all along say that Tabarak was a serious player but that perhaps his reputation is a little overblown," said Darif, who interviewed Tabarak after his release from Guantanamo. "He may have been a loyal worker, but he's not sophisticated. When you talk to him, you see pretty clearly that the guy does not have a strong personality."

But other intelligence sources in Europe and the Middle East suggest that his behavior at Guantanamo is further confirmation of his importance. There, they say, he developed a reputation as a tough-minded leader among the detainees. Moroccan officials have described him as an "emir" of the camp who resisted his American interrogators and catalyzed hunger strikes among prisoners.

Defense Department memos obtained by The Washington Post in 2004 show that Guantanamo officials repeatedly prevented inspectors from the International Committee of the Red Cross from seeing Tabarak.

Although the Red Cross was supposed to have access to all persons in military custody, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller told Red Cross inspectors on Oct. 9, 2003, that they could not visit Tabarak or three other detainees "because of military necessity," according to the memos. On a follow-up visit Feb. 2, 2004, Miller informed Red Cross officials that they could see anyone at the base, except Tabarak. Miller once again cited "military necessity." A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment on the memos.

Tabarak has told his attorney and other detainees that he was kept in an isolation cell during most of his stay at Guantanamo. For about one year, he said, he was interrogated only while blindfolded, so he could not see his captors or even know for certain if he was in Cuba or another country.

Staff writer Scott Higham and researcher Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.

[Bman]

Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $ 100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.


Update on Ahmed Omar Sheihk, the man who beheaded Daniel Pearl


BBC Monitoring South Asia - Political
Supplied by BBC Worldwide Monitoring

May 30, 2006 Tuesday

Pakistani court postpones appeal hearing in Daniel Pearl case


Text of report by Associated Press of Pakistan (APP) news agency

Karachi, 30 May: An Anti-Terrorism Appellate (ATA) bench of High Court of Sindh (SHC) comprising Justice Zia Pervez and Justice Rahmat Hussain Jaffery on Tuesday [30 May] put off hearing of three appeals in Daniel Pearl kidnapping and murder case till 8 August.

Earlier Khawaja Sultan, a senior lawyer from Lahore on criminal side filed power on behalf of main accused Ahmed Omar Sheikh replacing Abdul Waheed Katpar advocate. As the counsel requested time to study the case, the bench put off hearing till 8 August.

One of the appeals was filed by Ahmed Omar Sheikh, sentenced to death, another by three co-accused Salman Saquib, Fahad Naseem and Adil Shaikh who were sentenced to life imprisonment by the Anti Terrorism Court for Hyderabad and Mirpurkhas division.

The third appeal was filed by state seeking enhancement of life terms unto death in case of three co-accused.

According to prosecution, the accused kidnapped Daniel Pearl, a foreign journalist and later slaughtered him. Daniel Pearl went missing on 23 January, 2002.

Source: Associated Press of Pakistan news agency, Islamabad, in English 1435 gmt 30 May 06

[Bman]

Who hear still doesn't realize that the man who killed Pearl was working for the Pakistani ISI???

WHO DOESN'T YET UNDERSTAND THAT????


The Associated Press

May 18, 2006 Thursday 4:26 PM GMT

Convict in killing of U.S. journalist shifted to a new prison

KARACHI Pakistan


An Islamic militant sentenced to death in the killing of journalist Daniel Pearl was transferred Thursday to a new prison for security reasons, a police official said.

British-born Ahmed Omar Sheikh was flown by helicopter from a jail in Hyderabad to Central Prison in Karachi, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make media comments. He gave no further details.

Pearl, a Wall Street Journal correspondent, was researching a story on Islamic militancy in Karachi when he disappeared in January 2002. Four months later, his beheaded body was found on the city's outskirts.

In July 2002, a court convicted four Islamic militants in his killing. The three besides Sheikh received life imprisonment and are being held in Hyderabad, about 95 miles northwest of Karachi.

A court is to hear appeals later this month from all four convicts. The government is still seeking the death penalty for the three other militants. Other suspects in the case remain at large.

[Bman]

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Sheikh has been sentenced to death but its on appeal and has now been delayed for the 33rd time.

Other articles state that Sheikh is still running terrorist operations from his cell, and has converted his jailers to "jihad", etc, etc.

Whatever the case, I would be extremely surprised if this guy is ever actually executed, given his ties to Paki ISI

I have read that Pearl was actually looking into Paki ISI connections to Bin Laden and the ISI had Sheikh kill him.

You KNEW this was coming..... .LOL




Agence France Presse -- English

March 19, 2007 Monday 2:02 AM GMT

Pearl murder: Appeal after 9/11 suspect confesses

Mazhar Abbas

KARACHI, March 19 2007



Lawyers for a British-born militant sentenced to hang for the murder of Daniel Pearl say they will try to use a confession by Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to seek his release.

Mohammed, the Al-Qaeda number three who was arrested in Pakistan in 2003 and transferred to US custody a week later, admitted during a closed-door US military hearing in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to having beheaded the journalist, according to an edited transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.

Mohammed was never charged for Pearl's murder in trials here and his name did not even appear in the case files, a senior police officer said.

After months of investigations, police blamed the kidnapping and subsequent beheading in the southern city of Karachi on a group of Islamic militants headed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, also known as Sheikh Omar.

Omar was arrested with three other colleagues and convicted of Pearl's murder in June 2002 by an anti-terrorism court. Seven other co-accused were punished in absentia and two of them were later killed in encounters with the police.

The court documents said they masterminded Pearl's kidnapping in an attempt to win freedom for Al-Qaeda men locked in Guantanamo Bay.

Omar lodged his appeal at the high court of Pakistan's southern Sindh province a month after the June 2002 verdict, but the case has been adjourned more than 40 times.

"I am trying to get a copy of Mohammed's statement as it vindicates" Omar, his lawyer Khwaja Sultan told AFP this week.

This statement shows the Pakistani government wanted to implicate Omar, instead of Mohammed who was the real killer, Sultan said.

"I have got more evidence, documents from the US to prove my client's innocence," he added.

In his confession, Mohammed said: "I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew, Daniel Pearl, in the city of Karachi, Pakistan."

"For those who would like to confirm, there are pictures of me on the Internet holding his head," he said.

Pearl, 38, was the South Asia bureau chief for The Wall Street Journal when he was abducted in Karachi on January 23, 2002 while researching a story about Islamic militants.

His kidnapping triggered a massive manhunt across Pakistan, as his French wife Mariane, who was heavily pregnant with the couple's first child, maintained an anxious vigil.

At the same hearing, Mohammed also claimed responsibility for 31 plots around the world, including the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States.

In an oral statement, Mohammed said Pearl's beheading was not an Al-Qaeda operation.

"It's like beheading Daniel Pearl," he said. "It's not related to Al-Qaeda. It was shared in Pakistan. Other group, Mujahedeen."

Lawyers for one of the three other Pakistanis convicted in the kidnapping and murder of Pearl said Mohammed should be brought to Pakistan and tried here for the murder.

"I can't say about the validity of the statement but it would be raised before the appeal," lawyer Malik Naveed said.

Mohammed has been kept in controversial circumstances, most of the time in complete secrecy, since his capture in Pakistan. He has no access to a lawyer and allegations have been made that he was tortured while in US custody.

The hearing of Omar's appeal was again adjourned last week until further orders due to the countrywide protests by lawyers against the sacking of Pakistan's top judge by the government.

[Casey]

You KNEW this was coming..... .LOL


Agence France Presse -- English

March 19, 2007 Monday 2:02 AM GMT

Pearl murder: Appeal after 9/11 suspect confesses

Mazhar Abbas



This is what I have been considering.

To leave KSM's confession on the record as is, opens the door to all kinds of craziness.

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[Bman]

This is what I have been considering.

To leave KSM's confession on the record as is, opens the door to all kinds of craziness.

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Absolutely.

[Bitch]

This is what I have been considering.

To leave KSM's confession on the record as is, opens the door to all kinds of craziness.

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YEP! I read about this yesterday. It's disgusting. I mean does anyone really believe that KSM did everything he's 'confessing' to? The problem with a confession produced through coercion or torture (assuming that was the case) is they'll say anything. Which then means they don't have to bother going out and 'catching' the real culprits.

Grrrr

[Synner]

Plus, it effectively makes him a bigger Martyr than OBL himself. So he may have actually 'confessed' to these things for reasons aside from torture.

[Bman]

It seems like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Do you think we will ever see them again? It's really odd that they were caught & then just vanished. I've never seen a press report which even tried to guess where they are.



You won't see this one again


It appears he was tortured to death


Suspect in Pearl Murder Was Held,
Covertly Questioned Before Death

Rights Groups Say Torture
Of Detainee by Pakistan
Likely Led to His Demise

By JAY SOLOMON and STEVE LEVINE
November 12, 2007; Page A3

A long-sought suspect in the slaying of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was secretly detained and interrogated by U.S. and Pakistani intelligence agencies before he died earlier this year, say U.S. and Pakistani law-enforcement officials.

The revelation about the suspect, Saud Memon, suggests that the interrogation may have played a role in his death, say lawyers and human-rights advocates who have accused the Bush administration of colluding with Islamabad in illegally arresting and detaining scores of suspected terrorists since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Memon was questioned both for his alleged involvement in Pearl's murder as well as his suspected role as a financier and facilitator for al Qaeda, including the pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, according to a senior U.S. law-enforcement official. The official said the interrogation yielded intelligence that Memon was aiding the terrorist organization to develop anthrax strains.

Memon was "in a lot of the rooms where important things were being discussed. He knew senior al Qaeda people, and was moving equipment and supplies," said the U.S. official, who had access to intelligence files on Memon.

The U.S. official wouldn't comment on where or exactly when the U.S. held and questioned Memon. He said the suspect was returned to Pakistan because he was wanted for questioning in the Pearl murder. He also wouldn't say what, if any, new details the U.S. learned about Memon's alleged role in Pearl's death.

A SUSPECT'S FATE


• The News: U.S. and Pakistani intelligence agencies secretly detained and questioned Saud Memon, a suspect in Daniel Pearl's murder, law-enforcement officials say. Memon died two weeks after his family says he was released.
• The Players: Investigators believe Memon was uniquely positioned to answer questions about why Pearl was abducted and slain.
• The Background: Pakistan's missing persons and release of suspected terrorists has become a major issue pitting President Musharraf against his country's judiciary.On April 28, Memon, 44 years old, was dumped, badly injured and weighing less than 80 pounds, in front of his Karachi home, according to his family and human-rights groups. Five days later, he appeared before the Pakistani Supreme Court in Islamabad in a wheelchair, the Associated Press reported. He died on May 18 at a hospital in Karachi from what doctors said were complications related to meningitis and tuberculosis.

Legal-aid and human-rights groups have accused Pakistan's intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence bureau, of torturing Memon during his detention in Pakistan, based on interviews with fellow prisoners. A Pakistani police official said Memon was already in poor condition when the U.S. authorities delivered him to Pakistan.

CIA Says Torture Not Condoned

The Central Intelligence Agency's director of public affairs, Mark Mansfield, said his agency "does not, as a rule, comment on allegations regarding who has, or has not, been in its custody." He added that the U.S. "does not conduct or condone torture."

Pakistani officials were unavailable to comment this weekend on whether Memon was tortured in ISI custody. Since his reappearance in April, Pakistani officials have never publicly acknowledged that Memon was in their custody.

Pearl was kidnapped Jan. 23, 2002, while investigating a terrorism story in Karachi, and Pakistani authorities say they believe he was murdered about a week later. Pakistani investigators called Memon a prime suspect in the case because he owned a nursery compound where the journalist was held and killed. Witnesses alleged Memon himself drove three men to the compound who subsequently killed Pearl, Pakistani investigators say.

Memon, whom Pakistani police described as a prosperous textiles merchant with an export business, was regarded as someone who could have provided details about why the kidnappers decided to kill the journalist. U.S. and Pakistani officials say he was a significant player among many militant groups in Pakistan believed to be conducting abductions.

Islamic Charity Group

In 2003, the U.S. Treasury Department named Memon a financier of the Al-Akhtar Trust, a self-described Islamic charity based in Karachi, which Treasury called a supporter of al Qaeda's terrorist activities, particularly in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Treasury froze the organization's U.S. assets that year.

Al Qaeda's captured former chief of operations, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, told U.S. military interrogators that he personally killed Pearl in early 2002. But human-rights groups argue he may have confessed under duress. Four other men were convicted in the case. One was sentenced to death and three to life sentences. They are appealing their sentences. Mr. Mohammed hasn't been tried in relation to the case.

Pakistani police said they couldn't find Memon for questioning in the months after Pearl's death. Since 2002, a rusty padlock secured the gate of the Pakistani businessman's gray, two-story house in Karachi's middle-class Nazimabad district, a stronghold of an outlawed Islamist militant group called Harkat-ul-Mujahedin.

Government and independent investigators looking into Memon's case said they believe he used a false passport to flee Pakistan for Mozambique after the murder of Pearl. From there, he sneaked into South Africa where he had friends, a Pakistani government investigator said. U.S. authorities were ultimately tipped off to his whereabouts by Pakistan, which intercepted a call Memon made to relatives, the investigator said.

Legal-aid and human-rights groups in Pakistan that investigated Memon's disappearance said they have been told he was held at a secret CIA detention facility in Bagram, Afghanistan, before being turned over to the ISI early last year. These groups said they had reconstructed Memon's movements through interviews with Pakistani men jailed with the murder suspect inside Pakistan.

Memon returned to Pakistan having "lost all his senses" and looking like "a skeleton," said a Pakistani government investigator involved in the Pearl case.

Amina Masood, a human-rights activist in Islamabad, claimed in an April petition to Pakistan's Supreme Court that Memon was tortured while under detention by the ISI. In an interview, Ms. Masood said former inmates imprisoned with Memon told her he was extensively tortured while under ISI custody.

"I saw him with my own eyes. His body looked like a 16-year-old boy's. He had completely lost his memory," says Ms. Masood. "It wasn't possible for him to survive. He couldn't recognize his wife, children."

Pitting Musharraf Against Judiciary

In recent months, Pakistan's missing persons have become a major issue pitting President Pervez Musharraf against his country's judiciary. Former Supreme Court Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, who Gen. Musharraf fired this month, had been championing the rights of the disappeared and those being held without facing any formal terrorism charges.

Gen. Musharraf declared a state of emergency on Nov. 3 in part, he asserted, because of moves by the Supreme Court to free suspected terrorists who haven't been formally charged.

"The lawyers have released scores of terrorists" who are "human missiles," Ahmed Raza Kasuri, a legal adviser to Gen. Musharraf, said last week in Washington, explaining Pakistan's need for emergency measures. "We are only trying to stabilize the situation in Pakistan."

Ms. Masood and other human-rights activists say Gen. Musharraf's moves against Pakistan's judiciary could ruin their efforts to learn the status of hundreds of men missing since 9/11.

Since declaring the state of emergency, Gen. Musharraf's security forces have rounded up several prominent human-rights activists who had been sharply critical of his policies and pushed the Supreme Court to take cases involving people secretly detained without trial. Among those detained include: Asma Jahangir, chairwoman of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan; as well as the commission's director, I.A. Rehman.


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