moderate mohamadism

[Sage]

Brutal Anti-Semitic Torture-and-Murder Enrages French Jewry

By Hillel Fendel

French Jewry is infuriated at a cruel, anti-Semitic murder that followed 24 days of torture.

Well over 1,000 people, mostly Jews, marched in Paris on Sunday to protest the killing and the perception that the police and government are not moving diligently to uncover the facts. Speakers at the rally accused politicians of minimizing the crime to avoid exacerbating Muslim tensions - especially after the Muslim riots in Paris two months ago.

The murder victim, Ilan Halimi, 23, was kidnapped and tortured for over three weeks. Seven suspects have been arrested, apparently given over to the authorities by a young woman who was involved in entrapping Halimi. She said she never expected the incident to develop into a murder. The ring-leader of the group, however - Yousouf Fofana, a Moslem from the Ivory Coast who calls himself "the Brain of the Barbarians" - has not yet been caught.

The kidnappers beat, burned and mutilated Halimi during the 24 days they kept him in captivity in an out-of-the-way cellar. The gang contacted Halimi's family with ransom demands, taunting them with anti-Semitic curses and reciting Koranic verses via the phone and e-mail. The kidnappers even sent photos of the bound and blindfolded victim with a gun to his head, in the style of Moslem-taken hostages in Iraq and other areas.

Halimi was finally found on February 13 lying in agony, unclothed and bound, near a railway line outside Paris, with stab wounds and burns over 80% of his body. He died on the way to hospital.

The seven suspects have been charged with "murder linked to the victim's religion," as well as with kidnapping, illegal imprisonment and criminal association.

The Los Angeles Times quoted local Jewish leader and former police chief Sammy Ghozlan as saying, "When the family said they didn't have money, they told them to go to a synagogue to get the money. This gang massacred this young man. They cut off ears and fingers. It was like they had a trophy, a Jewish kid, and everybody abused him."

Arutz-7's French-language editor David Geller said that the Jewish community in Paris is "in shock. Their feeling of security has been rocked in light of the authorities' handling of the case. Many of them are asking themselves if they have any future in France."

"If Ilan hadn't been Jewish, he wouldn't have been murdered," his mother Ruth told the Israeli Haaretz newspaper. Police insisted that they had worked on the case throughout the period of his abduction.

Police forbade the family to publicize their son's disappearance, fearing that the kidnappers would then kill him. Jewish communal leaders said that publicizing the case could have led to the capture of the kidnappers and the possible prevention of the torture Halimi underwent.

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin told Jewish community leaders at their annual dinner on Monday night that the judge handling the case was investigating leads pointing to an anti-Semitic attack. De Villepin said he had ordered his interior and justice ministers to shed all possible light on the affair. Justice Minister Pascal Clement told the same dinner that one suspect had indicated Halimi was selected "because he was Jewish and because a Jew was rich. That is an aggravating circumstance."

[abbood]

There you go... keep talking to yourself.. alone!

Good boy! ~

[Kamikaze]

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Muslims acting against the way of Islam. This is the sort of stuff that makes us look like savages.

[Sage]

i know how much you all love the Jews, keep posting the same old lies over and over maybe you will even begin to believe them someday.

"The Prophet said: the Resurrection will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.

The Prophet said: the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!.

animals

[Kamikaze]

i know how much you all love the Jews, keep posting the same old lies over and over maybe you will even begin to believe them someday.

"The Prophet said: the Resurrection will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.

The Prophet said: the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!.

animals
I dont have any problem with Jews outside Palestine. Outside Palestine, they are not my enemies unless they support Israel economically or otherwise from abroad. Killing them just because of their religion is wrong. That would be savagery. Let Allah deal with them later on, not us.

[candypreet]

I dont have any problem with Jews outside Palestine. Outside Palestine, they are not my enemies unless they support Israel economically or otherwise from abroad. Killing them just because of their religion is wrong. That would be savagery. Let Allah deal with them later on, not us.
what do you feel about Hindu's Sikhs and Kashmir

[Kamikaze]

what do you feel about Hindu's Sikhs and Kashmir
If they don't attack or harm the Muslims, then let them live in peace. There is no compulsion in religion. If they choose to become Muslim, then they are welcome. If they don't choose Islam, then they are mistaken and Allah will deal with them later. Bloodshed is unnecessary.

[candypreet]

If they don't attack or harm the Muslims, then let them live in peace. There is no compulsion in religion. If they choose to become Muslim, then they are welcome. If they don't choose Islam, then they are mistaken and Allah will deal with them later. Bloodshed is unnecessary.

okay good enough. but what about the state of Jammu and Kashmir

[Kamikaze]

okay good enough. but what about the state of Jammu and Kashmir
I'm not really that informed about the Indian-Pakistani conflict, otherwise, I would've answered you.

[KAOSKTRL]

If they don't attack or harm the Muslims, then let them live in peace. There is no compulsion in religion. If they choose to become Muslim, then they are welcome. If they don't choose Islam, then they are mistaken and Allah will deal with them later. Bloodshed is unnecessary.GOt any unabrogated scripture to base that opinion on?

[RSade]

If they don't choose Islam, then they are mistaken and Allah will deal with them later. Bloodshed is unnecessary.


God bless you, the world needs a few billion of you, religion needn't be at odds. The leaders of religion and of all people have a VESTED INTEREST in control. And we all are touched by their devious insanity which rooted greed, and guided by evil of the supernatural species, so to speak.

God bless us all we are going to need it soon.

; { >

[Sage]

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[Kamikaze]

GOt any unabrogated scripture to base that opinion on?
You really like scriptures don't you? I have read about this but I don't remember each verse and hadith I read, KAOSTRL. Read the biography of the prophet PBUH, read something about the Islamic nation a little while after the death of Mohammed PBUH (when it was actually an Islamic nation, not just by name). We have lived in peace with people from other religions. Where do you think the Jews left to when the Spanish persecutions occured? To muslim lands, and we harbored them peacefully. Also, a good example is the Muslim hijra to Ethiopia. (http://www.interfaithdialog.org/Articles/Yildirim.pdf)

[Kamikaze]

God bless you, the world needs a few billion of you, religion needn't be at odds.
Thank you :) .

The leaders of religion and of all people have a VESTED INTEREST in control. And we all are touched by their devious insanity which rooted greed, and guided by evil of the supernatural species, so to speak.

God bless us all we are going to need it soon.
; { >
I totally agree

[candypreet]

I'm not really that informed about the Indian-Pakistani conflict, otherwise, I would've answered you.
thats okay again with me

[RSade]

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Muslims acting against the way of Islam. This is the sort of stuff that makes us look like savages.


Anyone with even a concise working knowledge of ANY religion, or a people for that matter, and a wee bit healthy paranoia (I have an over dose of it) for their leaders (hate mongers) will inherently KNOW that the word of the God of their religion is pure.

The people are good. Yes, all people are inherently GOOD. Only outside influences corrupt people as well as all life on earth.

Yes the earthby proxy is part of the universe, and it seems the task maker for the universe!

This is the reason that the earth was destroyed at least once (I feel it was many times).

oh well I digress....yes we need more ....


peace

[candypreet]

....


peace
good posts there

[KAOSKTRL]

You really like scriptures don't you? I have read about this but I don't remember each verse and hadith I read, KAOSTRL. Read the biography of the prophet PBUH, read something about the Islamic nation a little while after the death of Mohammed PBUH (when it was actually an Islamic nation, not just by name). We have lived in peace with people from other religions. Where do you think the Jews left to when the Spanish persecutions occured? To muslim lands, and we harbored them peacefully. Also, a good example is the Muslim hijra to Ethiopia. (http://www.interfaithdialog.org/Articles/Yildirim.pdf)I anm very familiar with Sirat Rasul Allah It should be scanned and on line by the end of next week about 100 pages are online already at KN

Im sure you have a great interest in the history of dhimmitude

Muslim Spain was a country of constant jihad ruled under Maliki jurisdiction, which provided a severe, repressive interpretation of Islamic law10. For example, the Maliki jurist Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani (d. 996), characterized jihad as follows:
“Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting
to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them.”11
And Maliki jurist Ibn Abdun offered these telling legal opinions regarding Jews and Christians in Seville around 1100 C.E.:
“No…Jew or Christian may be allowed to wear the dress of an aristocrat, nor of a jurist, nor of a wealthy individual; on the contrary they must be detested and avoided. It is forbidden to accost them with the greeting, ‘Peace be upon you’. In effect, ‘Satan has gained possession of them, and caused them to forget God’s warning. They are the confederates of Satan’s party; Satan’s confederates will surely be the losers!’ (Qur’an 58:19 [modern Dawood translation]). A distinctive sign must be imposed upon them in order that they may be recognized and this will be for them a form of disgrace.”12
The indigenous Christians and Jews of Spain, conquered by the Arab Muslim jihad wars, thus submitted to Islamic domination under a "Pact"--or Dhimma--which imposed degrading and discriminatory regulations, consistent with the Qur’anic injunction in 9:29. The main principles of this “dhimmitude” were : (i) the inequality of rights in all domains between Muslims and dhimmis; (ii) the social and economic discrimination against the dhimmis; (iii) the humiliation and vulnerability of the dhimmis13. And there were dire consequences for infidel dhimmis in Muslim Spain who rebelled against the repressive Dhimma: slaughter of the rebels, and enslavement of their women and children14.
In addition to a small minority of privileged Christian notables, Muslim Spain was populated by tens of thousands of Christian slaves, and humiliated and oppressed Christian dhimmis. The muwallads (neo-converts to Islam) were in nearly perpetual revolt against the Arab immigrants who had claimed large estates for themselves, farmed by Christian serfs or slaves. Expropriations and fiscal extortions ignited the flames of continual rebellion by both muwallads and mozarabs (Christian dhimmis) throughout the Iberian peninsula. Leaders of these rebellions were crucified, and their insurgent followers were put to the sword. These bloody conflicts, which occurred throughout the Hispano-Umayyad emirate until the tenth century, fueled endemic religious hatred. An 828 C.E. letter from Louis the Pious to the Christians of Merida summarized their plight under Abd al-Rahman II, and during the preceeding reign: confiscation of their property, unfair increase of their exacted tribute, removal of their freedom (probably meaning slavery), and oppression by excessive taxes15.

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/bostom3.htm

[love_lost]

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/bostom3.htm

I'll be damned- look at you, bringing on the funny.:happy_01:

[RSade]

good posts there

Thanks and ahhhh....peace

[RSade]

I totally agree


Totally? damn, I must be doing something right, with agreement coming from you and candypreet, (both of whom I respect) , and who's good attention is a bit difficult to come by, makes my early morning green tea taste better and starts my day out better. thanks "guys".... ; } >

Ps there must be something to this anger management thing...it does allow me to make a few posts that concern something instead of hateful rebuttal and forever being in the defensive mode....Kam I dont know if you are male or female and can only guess candypreets gender by her avatar. But the female of the gender, you two as well as fuzz and ethyl, brings to the debate table here at HI, a semblance of intelligence and integrity, with poise and grace not found in me, a male, (healthy) paranoia crazed, Jesus loving (people loving), fool.

thanks, and ummmm,


peace


"moderation in all things" .....JC

[RSade]

post#18


Again, if we dont learn to live in peace (with all religions and people, and our earth, we BECOME the marionettes of the beast (the antichrist), in a modern version of a medieval passion-play, this one is billed as the End Times. Its playing now in a Middle Eastern Theater (of war) near YOU!!!

Is this vile play on mans existence and future time line going to be held over? or is it going to be dorp kicked back to hell where it belongs? its up to us, not god or momma

[Kamikaze]

Totally? damn, I must be doing something right, with agreement coming from you and candypreet, (both of whom I respect) , and who's good attention is a bit difficult to come by, makes my early morning green tea taste better and starts my day out better. thanks "guys".... ; } >

Ps there must be something to this anger management thing...it does allow me to make a few posts that concern something instead of hateful rebuttal and forever being in the defensive mode....Kam I dont know if you are male or female and can only guess candypreets gender by her avatar. But the female of the gender, you two as well as fuzz and ethyl, brings to the debate table here at HI, a semblance of intelligence and integrity, with poise and grace not found in me, a male, (healthy) paranoia crazed, Jesus loving (people loving), fool.

thanks, and ummmm,


peace


"moderation in all things" .....JC
:) Thanks. I'm male by the way.

[Kamikaze]

http://www.kafirnation.com/handout/God%20is%20an%20american.mp3
LMAO! :happy_09: God is an American? :happy_04: I'm afraid of Americans? :D
You crack me up KAOSTRL!

[Sage]

you should be afraid

[RSade]

I'm afraid of Americans?


Dont fear me unless you come into my house unannounced, through a window, in the middle of the night, then there is a real possibility that you remains will exit riding on 30 rounds of a lead 7.62 express bullet train. Hollow points. well one metal jacket then four hollow points then one full metal jacket..you get the idea?

The thing that everyone must fear is our government and your government leaders,and many of your religious leaders ,and many of our religious leaders!

Did I get that right?

We are truly puppets and sheep! Hitler knew well how dumb his citizens were. The citizens nearly worshiped this man and he hated them. (and some did worship him)

Now we have some bad leaders...the hitlers of today, the pedophile priests, the Jim Jones Christianty, some rulers of Islam, rotten to the core goverment..OH yeah, I think its time for war, but not against each other!
Call it behavior modification for dummies in leadership positions on a global scale.


Well, it is assisted suicide and the Jack korevorkiean' (whatever) of the universe is goverment and religious leaders who are in bed

with the devil.

This devil must be a pretty transvestite because I am sure that these preists of goverment, ultra money, and or religious power dont know what they are sleeping with!

Man they had better start feeling (down there) around before they get a anal lesson who is evil and powerful and who are only bigger puppets than we are!


That should be called incestuous war. Really F*&^ your brothers and sisters to dearth!!!!!

We NEED Holy war against the evil in the world!

No not killing the fools, just giving them an attitude adjustment and teaching them the wrongs that they do. Anything short of physical harm would be appropriate.

Oh well maybe nbow ya' all' see why I am a pessimistic A hole a times? Look at the hate in this religious forum....its mild compared to the world, its nice compared to the streets of Bosnia or Baghdad or Haiti.

Millions are starving in Africa, hundred of thousands die each day because they dont have clean water or basic meds!!!!

who gives a shit? This is what we should be declaring war on!

I'm sick of this shit.

and I think this cold is the flu....

again

Ahhhh the end.

[RSade]

I posted the unedited one before I caught it and the 20 min. time limit expired, the thrust of the post was correct I was editing for brevity spelling and grammar. I am too POed to post the now edited version so I hope its readable...

[candypreet]

Totally? damn, I must be doing something right, with agreement coming from you and candypreet, (both of whom I respect) , and who's good attention is a bit difficult to come by, makes my early morning green tea taste better and starts my day out better. thanks "guys".... ; } >

Ps there must be something to this anger management thing...it does allow me to make a few posts that concern something instead of hateful rebuttal and forever being in the defensive mode....Kam I dont know if you are male or female and can only guess candypreets gender by her avatar. But the female of the gender, you two as well as fuzz and ethyl, brings to the debate table here at HI, a semblance of intelligence and integrity, with poise and grace not found in me, a male, (healthy) paranoia crazed, Jesus loving (people loving), fool.

thanks, and ummmm,


peace


"moderation in all things" .....JC


Thank you

[RSade]

The pleasure is mine, and thank you.

[KAOSKTRL]

http://www.kafirnation.com/handout/God%20is%20an%20american.mp3
LMAO! :happy_09: God is an American? :happy_04: I'm afraid of Americans? :D
You crack me up KAOSTRL!Im here to help.