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SmokedYourDSM
11-23-2005, 08:58 AM
Ever wonder why we're not doing shit about our worst enemy in the area? No, not iraq, not iran, not syria.
Here bman, this kinda prooves what we've been saying, ALL ALONG. Maybe some will listen...
http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=55673
A Q Khan was in CIA pay since 1975!
New Delhi: New evidence has emerged to suggest that Dr. A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program, was in the pay and protection of the Central News Agency (CIA) in the United States since 1975.
According to a report appearing in The Tribune newspaper, former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers, is named as the source of this startling, but unimpeachable source of information.
Speaking in interview with VPRO Argos Radio on August 9, 2005, Dr. Lubbers revealed that Dr. Khan was first arrested in 1975 for espionage and again in 1988 for entering Holland illegally. Lubbers said that on both occasions, he was set free after the CIA intervened.
The paper further goes on to quote Dr. Lubbers as saying that in 1992, Dr. Khan wanted to visit Holland to see his ailing father-in-law (his wife is a Dutch). The case for visa was sponsored by no less a person than the then head of the Dutch secret service, BVD, Arthur Dokters Van Leeuwen.
Dr. Lubbers also confirmed that a BVD person received Dr Khan on his arrival at Schipol Airport. The BVD was presumably acting under instructions from American intelligence agencies.
“If you were to study the archives, you would find that the American intelligence agencies - I am absolutely certain of it - kept a record of how closely they watched the man and what he was upto, etc. They thought as such they were doing a terrific job,” The Tribune quotes Dr. Lubbers as saying in his interview with VPRO Argod Radio.
When the interviewer pointed out that Khan was allowed to continue his activities in spite of the information about his clandestine activities, Dr. Lubbers replied, “Yes, but that is the shortcoming of the management. And yes, that's when we saw it was the leader of the free world. And we do take quite seriously the fact that they did a lot of good things. But they were not able to subdue the monster of proliferation, to put it that way.”
He, however, said that the Dutch secret service was very prompt in informing the CIA about Dr. Khan's nuclear proliferation activities, but was clearly told to let him be.
“The BVD reported it to its counterpart in Washington. The counterpart in Washington then follows a course that amounts to let him go and we will gain more information. And that is where things start to go wrong.”
According to the paper, the latest report from Vienna talks of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) informing its Board of Governors that Iran had turned over to the IAEA fresh documents that give details, for the first time, about technology that Iran was offered in 1987 by Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan of Pakistan.
According to this report, included in the engineering drawings and other technology offered to the Iranians were diagrams about how to form uranium metal into “hemispherical spheres”, a description that would suggest the basic steps toward creating bomb cores. Such spheres are needed for the Hiroshima type of atomic bombs.
It is to be noted that this cooperation from Iran has come about after the September 24 IAEA resolution. In the previous 30 months of investigation and inspection by the IAEA, Iran did not produce similar evidence. The new documentation will reveal that Dr Khan's proliferation started as far back as 1987.
U.S. and British authorities, including President George W Bush, Prime Minister Tony Blair and former CIA chief George Tenet, claimed that Dr Khan's activities came to their notice only around 1998 and they busted the Khan proliferation ring in 2003.
Gee, Pakistan wanted to give Iran the bomb...? You don't say? Hey zapcomix, how come you hate Iran so much, but Pakistan is A-Ok in your book? they are the ones who will PROVIDE Iran the bomb....
Yeah, I've seen that story from the former Dutch leader, saying the CIA was protecting Khan.
Its obvious someone was/is protecting him. Probably the same folks that were protecting the 9/11 hijackers, and Osama
SmokedYourDSM
11-23-2005, 09:06 AM
Yeah, I've seen that story from the former Dutch leader, saying the CIA was protecting Khan.
Its obvious someone was/is protecting him. Probably the same folks that were protecting the 9/11 hijackers, and Osama
It's just funny to hear the wingnuts go after Iran so much, they have NO idea that the only real feasible way to get a nuclear device would be through pakistan. Where's the outcry to "nuke pakistan"...?
pixikill
11-23-2005, 09:12 AM
It's just funny to hear the wingnuts go after Iran so much, they have NO idea that the only real feasible way to get a nuclear device would be through pakistan. Where's the outcry to "nuke pakistan"...?
god already did that.
And, it continues to this day
Pakistan denies IAEA access to A.Q. Khan
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Published December 5, 2005
NEW DELHI -- Pakistan will not grant permission to the United Nations to question its controversial nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan in order to investigate a proliferation network.
Islamabad said Khan has been cooperating with the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog group the International Atomic Energy Agency.
"We have been cooperating with the IAEA and this cooperation has been appreciated by the agency," said Pakistan foreign office spokesman Tasnim Aslam.
Aslam reacted to remarks made by IAEA Director Mohammad El Baradei who said direct dialogue with Khan would help solve the puzzle of the nuclear black-marketing led by the father of Pakistan's nuclear program.
He said President Musharraf has made it clear on many occasions that whatever information is required would be provided through the government of Pakistan.
The U.N. nuclear monitoring agency has been seeking Islamabad's cooperation to question Khan, who they believe has helped Iran develop its nuclear program. The IAEA is currently investigating Iran's nuclear program.
The U.N. watchdog has been examining Khan's role in the proliferation network that he is said to be leading.
Tehran had sought the assistance of Khan's network for developing its nuclear program.
While Pakistan agreed to extend full cooperation to the IAEA to provide information about Khan and his role, Islamabad has refused to permit the IAEA to question him directly.
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20051205-023003-4451r
sidthereal
12-07-2005, 12:45 PM
Ever wonder why we're not doing shit about our worst enemy in the area? No, not iraq, not iran, not syria.
Here bman, this kinda prooves what we've been saying, ALL ALONG. Maybe some will listen...
http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=55673
A Q Khan was in CIA pay since 1975!
New Delhi: New evidence has emerged to suggest that Dr. A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program, was in the pay and protection of the Central News Agency (CIA) in the United States since 1975.
According to a report appearing in The Tribune newspaper, former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers, is named as the source of this startling, but unimpeachable source of information.
Speaking in interview with VPRO Argos Radio on August 9, 2005, Dr. Lubbers revealed that Dr. Khan was first arrested in 1975 for espionage and again in 1988 for entering Holland illegally. Lubbers said that on both occasions, he was set free after the CIA intervened.
The paper further goes on to quote Dr. Lubbers as saying that in 1992, Dr. Khan wanted to visit Holland to see his ailing father-in-law (his wife is a Dutch). The case for visa was sponsored by no less a person than the then head of the Dutch secret service, BVD, Arthur Dokters Van Leeuwen.
Dr. Lubbers also confirmed that a BVD person received Dr Khan on his arrival at Schipol Airport. The BVD was presumably acting under instructions from American intelligence agencies.
“If you were to study the archives, you would find that the American intelligence agencies - I am absolutely certain of it - kept a record of how closely they watched the man and what he was upto, etc. They thought as such they were doing a terrific job,” The Tribune quotes Dr. Lubbers as saying in his interview with VPRO Argod Radio.
When the interviewer pointed out that Khan was allowed to continue his activities in spite of the information about his clandestine activities, Dr. Lubbers replied, “Yes, but that is the shortcoming of the management. And yes, that's when we saw it was the leader of the free world. And we do take quite seriously the fact that they did a lot of good things. But they were not able to subdue the monster of proliferation, to put it that way.”
He, however, said that the Dutch secret service was very prompt in informing the CIA about Dr. Khan's nuclear proliferation activities, but was clearly told to let him be.
“The BVD reported it to its counterpart in Washington. The counterpart in Washington then follows a course that amounts to let him go and we will gain more information. And that is where things start to go wrong.”
According to the paper, the latest report from Vienna talks of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) informing its Board of Governors that Iran had turned over to the IAEA fresh documents that give details, for the first time, about technology that Iran was offered in 1987 by Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan of Pakistan.
According to this report, included in the engineering drawings and other technology offered to the Iranians were diagrams about how to form uranium metal into “hemispherical spheres”, a description that would suggest the basic steps toward creating bomb cores. Such spheres are needed for the Hiroshima type of atomic bombs.
It is to be noted that this cooperation from Iran has come about after the September 24 IAEA resolution. In the previous 30 months of investigation and inspection by the IAEA, Iran did not produce similar evidence. The new documentation will reveal that Dr Khan's proliferation started as far back as 1987.
U.S. and British authorities, including President George W Bush, Prime Minister Tony Blair and former CIA chief George Tenet, claimed that Dr Khan's activities came to their notice only around 1998 and they busted the Khan proliferation ring in 2003.
Gee, Pakistan wanted to give Iran the bomb...? You don't say? Hey zapcomix, how come you hate Iran so much, but Pakistan is A-Ok in your book? they are the ones who will PROVIDE Iran the bomb....
i thought i posted something similar ages ago
i thought i posted something similar ages ago
You probably did.
Candypreet and I had tons of old threads on Pakistan and terrorism last year... most of the time we were the only one's posting in them... People just don't really seem to give a damn, here in the US... They think France is a bigger threat to the US, than Pakistan...
Boggles the mind.
sidthereal
12-07-2005, 01:15 PM
You probably did.
Candypreet and I had tons of old threads on Pakistan and terrorism last year... most of the time we were the only one's posting in them... People just don't really seem to give a damn, here in the US... They think France is a bigger threat to the US, than Pakistan...
Boggles the mind.
reality is so so weird!!
zapcomix
12-07-2005, 01:15 PM
Gee, Pakistan wanted to give Iran the bomb...? You don't say? Hey zapcomix, how come you hate Iran so much, but Pakistan is A-Ok in your book? they are the ones who will PROVIDE Iran the bomb....
Man, you've got it back assward, Pakistan would never supply nukes to a country that could turn around and use them against Pakistan. What happened 10 or 15 years ago, might as well be 100 years ago. The post 911 world is whole different planet, all the rules have changed.
Man, you've got it back assward, Pakistan would never supply nukes to a country that could turn around and use them against Pakistan. What happened 10 or 15 years ago, might as well be 100 years ago. The post 911 world is whole different planet, all the rules have changed.
Pakistan has admitted giving Iran nuclear weapons technology
Where have you been, man?
Pakistan has admitted giving Iran nuclear weapons technology
Where have you been, man?
Check the, "Pakistan, for the first time, admits to giving nuclear technology to Iran", thread
http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8070&highlight=Pakistan+iran+khan
Dr. A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program, was in the pay and protection of the Central News Agency (CIA) in the United States since 1975.
Central News Agency ? You mean CNN ? :happy_07:
zapcomix
12-07-2005, 05:18 PM
Central News Agency ? You mean CNN ? :happy_07:
I thought CNN was the "Clinton News Network"
exitwound
12-07-2005, 06:05 PM
"Gee, Pakistan wanted to give Iran the bomb...? You don't say? Hey zapcomix, how come you hate Iran so much, but Pakistan is A-Ok in your book? they are the ones who will PROVIDE Iran the bomb...."
PWNED!
What a tangled web we weave... :mad_08: :add16: :mad_08:
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/PbBoltzman2.jpg
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/PbBoltzman1.jpg
candypreet
12-08-2005, 08:01 AM
You probably did.
Candypreet and I had tons of old threads on Pakistan and terrorism last year... most of the time we were the only one's posting in them... People just don't really seem to give a damn, here in the US... They think France is a bigger threat to the US, than Pakistan...
Boggles the mind.
you guys should do a search on Pakistan which Bman started. They have a lot of solid info.
candypreet
12-08-2005, 08:24 AM
N-blueprint evidence of Iranian plan: Straw
By A Correspondent
London, Dec 4: A blue print for making an atomic bomb found in Iran has been traced back to the AQ Khan Research laboratories in Pakistan which, the British foreign secretary believes, could be part of the ‘circumstantial evidence’ for taking Tehran’s case to the United Nations Security Council.
Official records reveal that Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told MPs on Nov 29: “The evidence, which originally came from a document from the AQ Khan Research Laboratories in *Pakistan*, tells us that the Iranians had in their possession information that could lead to the development of the hemispheres, which for certain have no purpose other than the development of nuclear weapons.”
The document, provided to the IAEA by Iran, is in addition to the “old and discarded parts of centrifuges”, which Pakistan had sent to the IAEA earlier this year for comparative analysis.
Mr Straw said: “It is my working belief that Iran is at the very least developing the options for a nuclear weapons programme… What the evidence does not tell us for certain is what Iran intended to do with that. It is a piece of circumstantial evidence and we need to treat it as such.”
However, the document was being used by the American and British diplomats to convince Moscow and Beijing that Tehran intended to build nuclear weapons and also to ask the IAEA for more intrusive inspections of Iranian nuclear facilities.
“We have been involved in intensive discussions with the Russian and Chinese governments—at head of state and government level, as well as foreign minister and senior official level—and I believe that they are likely to bear significant fruit,” Mr Straw said.
He said the EU foreign ministers and their senior officials were in close and continuous touch on the issue of Iran
http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/05/top14.htm
candypreet
12-08-2005, 08:27 AM
Pakistan denies IAEA access to A.Q. Khan
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Published December 5, 2005
NEW DELHI -- Pakistan will not grant permission to the United Nations to question its controversial nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan in order to investigate a proliferation network.
Islamabad said Khan has been cooperating with the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog group the International Atomic Energy Agency.
"We have been cooperating with the IAEA and this cooperation has been appreciated by the agency," said Pakistan foreign office spokesman Tasnim Aslam.
Aslam reacted to remarks made by IAEA Director Mohammad El Baradei who said direct dialogue with Khan would help solve the puzzle of the nuclear black-marketing led by the father of Pakistan's nuclear program.
He said President Musharraf has made it clear on many occasions that whatever information is required would be provided through the government of Pakistan.
The U.N. nuclear monitoring agency has been seeking Islamabad's cooperation to question Khan, who they believe has helped Iran develop its nuclear program. The IAEA is currently investigating Iran's nuclear program.
The U.N. watchdog has been examining Khan's role in the proliferation network that he is said to be leading.
Tehran had sought the assistance of Khan's network for developing its nuclear program.
While Pakistan agreed to extend full cooperation to the IAEA to provide information about Khan and his role, Islamabad has refused to permit the IAEA to question him directly.
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20051205-023003-4451r
candypreet
08-27-2006, 12:21 PM
:add08: :add09: :) :)
DammitBoy!
08-27-2006, 12:28 PM
Yeah, I've seen that story from the former Dutch leader, saying the CIA was protecting Khan.
Its obvious someone was/is protecting him. Probably the same folks that were protecting the 9/11 hijackers, and Osama
Clinton?
zerocool2006
08-27-2006, 12:34 PM
why not just nuke them?
go here http://sevillanovillegas.4t.com
Clinton?
Possibly, although you would have expected that protection to end when Bush came into office, in that case
Instead, its continued.
DammitBoy!
08-27-2006, 10:43 PM
Possibly, although you would have expected that protection to end when Bush came into office, in that case
Instead, its continued.
I blame Hillary...
CIA Delayed Breakup of Khan Network for Decades, Journalists Assert
Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2011
The CIA for more than three decades monitored the nuclear smuggling ring once headed by former top Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, allowing the network to proliferate sensitive atomic technology for years in order to gather intelligence, two journalists state in a new book (see GSN (http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20101115_6713.php), Nov. 15, 2010).
"They could literally have stopped [Khan] in his tracks (in the 1970s). It would have done an enormous amount to delay Pakistan building its own nuclear weapon, to delay the arms race on the South Asian continent and to stop Iran from getting where it is on the nuclear front," said Douglas Frantz, who with Catherine Collins authored "Fallout: The True Story of the CIA's Secret War on Nuclear Trafficking."
"This is something that the CIA, in our view, has been guilty of for more than 30 years now," Frantz told National Public Radio's "Fresh Air."
Khan in the 1970s acquired details in the Netherlands on producing fissile material for nuclear weapons. The European nation, concerned by the potential embarrassment of the leak becoming public, consulted with the CIA on whether to detain the scientist, the journalist said.
"The CIA told the Dutch, 'Let him go; we'll watch him,'" Frantz said. "This was in 1975. In the subsequent years and decades, Khan became clearly the most dangerous proliferator in history."
Pakistani authorities ultimately detained Khan at the beginning of 2004.
The CIA was believed to have obtained as informants Friedrich, Marco and Urs Tinner, Swiss engineers already deeply involved in the smuggling ring. Switzerland later launched a probe into allegations that the men had supplied Libya and Iran with components and expertise for building uranium enrichment centrifuges (see GSN (http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20101223_6377.php), Dec. 23, 2010).
"The CIA enlisted senior officials in the Bush administration ... to begin to put pressure on the Swiss government to kill this investigation," Franz said. "But two weeks ago, on December 23, a Swiss magistrate announced that he had filed a report with the Swiss attorney general recommending charges against the three Tinners for selling nuclear equipment to Libya. ... If they go to trial, all of this could come out in the open eventually, which would be absolutely fascinating" (Dave Davies, National Public Radio (http://www.npr.org/2011/01/04/132629443/the-fallout-of-the-cias-race-to-get-khan), Jan. 4).
http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20110105_6508.php
candypreet
02-28-2011, 05:26 AM
good post bman, how have you been
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