Countdown to DOUBLE FOR NOTHING in Dubya's illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war

[Firecat]

When Dubya ordered the US military to attack Iraq, there were a number of things wrong with that picture.

First, the primary reason he gave of WMDs didn't make any sense. His reason (which he has abandoned entirely) was that Iraq posed an imminent threat to its neighbors and the US through its alledged possession and proclivity to use WMDs. Those of us who oppose casual warfare wanted to know what the hurry was, since the UN inspections were nearly finished and they hadn't found any WMDs.

Dubya wanted his war in a big hurry... regardless of what the true conditions were on the ground.

Second, he kept trying to tie Iraq in with the terrorists. In speech after speech he pulled this bait and switch tactic, cleverly avoiding saying that Saddam was behind 9/11 but confusing Iraq and al-Qaeda together in a way that fooled many Americans into thinking that Iraq worked hand-in-hand with al-Qaeda.

He was obfuscating and confusing the truth.

Third, military and intelligence officials were coming forth with probing questions and criticism of the impending invasion. Some said it wasn't necessary, others said we didn't have sufficient force to do the job, and some said that there was no possible exit strategy and the US would be tied down there for years.

Dubya turned a deaf ear to those experts.

Fourth, there was plenty of monkey business going on at the UN. Dubya desperately wanted the legitimacy of a UN resolution for his plan to attack Iraq. Dubya is no consensus builder, so it is clear that he wanted legal authority which would end claims that he violated the UN charter by attacking Iraq. Colin Powell's presentation of the Bush case was so laughably devoid of factual evidence that Powell calls it "a blot on my record".

Dubya wanted UN approval to stay within his legal boundaries.

Well, as it turns out, there were no WMDs nor were there any programs, material, equipment, or staff to build them. And there is no hard evidence contemporary to the attack that suggests that the US needed to be in any hurry to make this attack. Also, it turns out that Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11. The Bush Gang cleverly claimed that Iraq had contacts with al-Qaeda that went back 10 years. True... but none since 10 years ago. And these two entities were religiously and politically opposed to each other.

The military experts were ignored. An insufficient force was deployed that allowed key munitions dumps to fall into the hands of the enemy. The UN didn't come through with a resolution... and the rest is history.

Today marks the death of the 2000th soldier in Iraq. Instead of starting a thread that counts to 3000, I am starting one that goes to 2749, then number of people who lost their lives on 9/11.

This is because Dubya is going DOUBLE FOR NOTHING. He is going to match the number of dead people that the terrorists killed for no reason with 2749 American GIs who will have lost their lives for nothing.

No WMDS. No threat to anyone. No links to al-Qaeda. No shining light of democracy in the middle east.

No flowers thrown to GIs. No boon from Iraqi oil. No domino effect of other nations in the region suddenly becoming "democracies".

No NOTHING. Nothing but 2749 dead soldiers put in harm's way by lies, incompetence, greed, and an uncanny knack for creating a bizarre artificial world to operate in. They match the 2749 killed by terrorists.

If you want to refer to Mr. Bush as a terrorist, I don't see anything particularly wrong with that.

October 25, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2000.

749 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[American_Jihad]

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[orrery]

So... what about your own immoral, illegal, and unnecessary war Firecat?

[Lotimer]

Thought you were gonna go to 3000 for the new thread, but hey this is a better idea instead.

Remember, Bush voters, this is what you voted for.

As Bad Religion said.. "Let them eat war!"

[zapcomix]

It is, "Double OR Nothing"... same old shit, different day.

[Phuct]

I'll say it again here:


Well, I'm sorry. But this is sickening, drawing a moral equivalency between what Saddam did on 9/11 and the effort we are making in Iraq (whether one agrees with it or not). And yes- people will post and say this isn't your intent, but I just don't see it any other way.

It is just too far over the top, based on half truths and suppositions that you and others post for you can no more prove your claims as those that support the war can prove theirs. That is fine, really. Everyone has an opinion. I haven't a problem with that.

But like I said- drawing this moral equivilency like this is just too over the top IMO.

FC, I know you really, really don't care but this really goes a long way towards lessoning the amont of respect I once had for you.

I was actually thinking of dissecting the original post, both here and on iH2- but what would be the point? We've been down that road thousands of times, with nothing proven with any certainty. At this level, I don't think it's about the men, but more about an "I'm right and your wrong!" mentality.

[overwatch]

Did the left notice the Iraqi constitution was endorsed by the Iraqi people just the other day?
Nah, guess not..so it's all for nothing. :rolleyes:

What a set of spineless amoral twats.

[Firecat]

The Iraqi constitution means that 2000 have died to assist the Shiites in setting up a theocracy in the same model as Iran. It also guarantees years more strife if not an all out shooting war between the Sunnis and Shia.

As far as the morality of this war.

It has none. Your personal attacks on me have no validity or morality and as far as I can see it's nothing but a lame-ass attempt to distract from the truth I have posted in the thread starter. You can't answer a single one of those points.... they are true.

Within a few days the indictments will be handed out and you will be forced to examine the lies you hold so close to your hearts. And you're not going to like it.

[Phuct]

That is all your perception, and you are entitled to it. However, since that is your perception, it lends to the fact that it is skewed as all perceptions are skewed.

To sit and state otherwise is stating that you have and are a universal truth.



The Iraqi constitution means that 2000 have died to assist the Shiites in setting up a theocracy in the same model as Iran. It also guarantees years more strife if not an all out shooting war between the Sunnis and Shia.

Many more than 2000 Americans have died fighting for other countries. If the Iraqi's set up a theocracy, then so be it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is at least their theocracy and one that by their Constitution can change and evolve over time.

That's a damn sight better than they had.


As far as the morality of this war.

It has none. Your personal attacks on me have no validity or morality and as far as I can see it's nothing but a lame-ass attempt to distract from the truth I have posted in the thread starter. You can't answer a single one of those points.... they are true.

No war has morality- that is an oxymoron. I said you are drawing a moral equivilence that is inaccurate.


Within a few days the indictments will be handed out and you will be forced to examine the lies you hold so close to your hearts. And you're not going to like it.

Maybe, and maybe not. In any case, what does that have to do with comparing the deaths and the cause of the deaths of the victims of 9/11 to those of the soldiers. You are basically stating that al Queda is the exact same as America, and that is the equivilency that is not just sickening, but frightening coming from someone who enjoys the freedoms of this country to make.

[overwatch]

The Iraqi constitution means that 2000 have died to assist the Shiites in setting up a theocracy in the same model as Iran. It also guarantees years more strife if not an all out shooting war between the Sunnis and Shia.

As far as the morality of this war.

It has none. Your personal attacks on me have no validity or morality and as far as I can see it's nothing but a lame-ass attempt to distract from the truth I have posted in the thread starter. You can't answer a single one of those points.... they are true.

Within a few days the indictments will be handed out and you will be forced to examine the lies you hold so close to your hearts. And you're not going to like it.

Guess what, politicians lie sometimes. You didn't know that? Where the fuck have you been living, a cave?

Do they lie for the right reasons when they lie is the only question that interestes me. For Bush and Blair on Iraq, yes they did it for the right reasons. On lots of domestic policy in both cases, maybe for the wrong but there we go.

PS, I'm not American and didn't (ever) vote for the PM so you should be worshipping me as your enlightened saviour with my nuanced European moral superiority.

[zapcomix]

The Iraqi constitution means that 2000 have died to assist the Shiites in setting up a theocracy in the same model as Iran. It also guarantees years more strife if not an all out shooting war between the Sunnis and Shia.

As far as the morality of this war.

It has none. Your personal attacks on me have no validity or morality and as far as I can see it's nothing but a lame-ass attempt to distract from the truth I have posted in the thread starter. You can't answer a single one of those points.... they are true.

Within a few days the indictments will be handed out and you will be forced to examine the lies you hold so close to your hearts. And you're not going to like it.
Quack... guess the powers that be forgot to get in touch with you....:mad_08:

[Firecat]

You are basically stating that al Queda is the exact same as America, and that is the equivilency that is not just sickening, but frightening coming from someone who enjoys the freedoms of this country to make.


How many people have been killed or wounded by al-Qaeda?

What percentage of the number killed or wounded by Bush's war do you think it is? 5%? 10%? Maybe I'd give you 25%.

Whether I enjoy the freedoms of this country or don't is TOTALLY IRRELEVENT to this post. There ARE moral absolutes at play here. I hold the present executive branch of this government LIABLE FOR THE DEATHS OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS and 2000 Americans, almost all of whom would have been alive today if it wasn't for the CORRUPTION AND LIES THEY TRADE IN.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this, because I believe that anyone, make that EVERYONE, who stands by and watches this happen without questioning its validity is a few bricks short of a load.

[Phuct]

There ARE moral absolutes at play here. I

There is no such thing as a moral absolute. If this were true, morals would be legislated.

[Firecat]

That's glib but untrue.

If your lies cause thousands to be killed or maimed you are morally bankrupt.

That's the only kind of bankrupt Dubya will ever know. With the possible exception of intellectual bankruptcy.

[zapcomix]

How many people have been killed or wounded by al-Qaeda?

What percentage of the number killed or wounded by Bush's war do you think it is? 5%? 10%? Maybe I'd give you 25%.

Whether I enjoy the freedoms of this country or don't is TOTALLY IRRELEVENT to this post. There ARE moral absolutes at play here. I hold the present executive branch of this government LIABLE FOR THE DEATHS OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS and 2000 Americans, almost all of whom would have been alive today if it wasn't for the CORRUPTION AND LIES THEY TRADE IN.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this, because I believe that anyone, make that EVERYONE, who stands by and watches this happen without questioning its validity is a few bricks short of a load.
Nothing is absolute. I understand you, but just because you're "moral" than most does not make you necessarily right. It is your belief/opinion, nothing more! Yes, you feel strongly about it, but that's all it is, a "feeling."

[American_Jihad]

Fireslug I can make you a spinning top avatar,
just let me know when you want it.
:)

[Firecat]

Nothing is absolute. I understand you, but just because you're "moral" than most does not make you necessarily right. It is your belief/opinion, nothing more! Yes, you feel strongly about it, but that's all it is, a "feeling."

I don't think I'm moral than most. I think if anything I'm somewhere near the middle of the "moral" spectrum.

That ought to be making any Bushie apologists quiver in their boot... because Middle America has finally understood that Bush broke the faith with them over this war and now it's cost us 2000 lives, billions of dollars, a weakened homeland defense, and a quagmire that just yesterday the SoS said would entertain us for 10 years.

I'm in the mainstream on this one.

[Phuct]

I hold the present executive branch of this government LIABLE FOR THE DEATHS OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS and 2000 Americans, almost all of whom would have been alive today if it wasn't for the CORRUPTION AND LIES THEY TRADE IN.

Really, and you know this how? Crystal ball? Channeling? You seem to ignore small facts- like the terrorism that is perpetrated in the ME on a daily basis. Like the terrorism perpetrated by Hussein himself. All of this for year, and years and with no end in sight- ever. As in it would not end. As in thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands. I ask you RIGHT NOW- where was your self indignant morals then FC?

I ask you- when peace (IF possible- let's not forget they've been in fighting and killing each other for the last 1600 years or so) is brought about to Iraq then it would be worth it. It will save future lives and future generations and I sincerely beleive it will also make the world (not just the region) safer.

Or, we can sit about with our hands in our pockets and not really care obout the religious zealot who sends their 7 year old son off with a back pack full of explosives. WEe can sit and repeat the same mistakes. We can think that our no fly zones were effective, be can trust the UN while ignoring the abject corruption that runs so rampant it makes our own governement look like saints. We can be happy with business as usual.

And you know what? If we fail, then we fail. I'm fine with that. However, at least in my conscience I know we tried.

Hey, but let's be content in our own freedoms to do absolutely nothing. Nothing aboput dictators in Iraq who put people through shredders, or death in the Sudan or Genocide in Cambodia, or whatever. After all, we aren't the world's police force, are we?

He who enjoys freedom while others suffer does not deserve the freedom he has.



I'm sorry if you cannot understand this, because I believe that anyone, make that EVERYONE, who stands by and watches this happen without questioning its validity is a few bricks short of a load.

You see, that's where you are wrong. I questioned it's validity. My conclusion is I think what we are doing is just and right and on so many levels. Has the admin made mistake? Definately. Should they be held accountable? Surely. Are they honest? Hell no- but none of them are. Not Bush, not Clinton, not JFK not FDR. Not a single damnn one of them.

But I won't allow that to taint my perception of this great nation. Yeah, it is still great, although there is plenty wrong with it...

...mostly the people.

[Phuct]

That's glib but untrue.



No, it's very, very true. The fact that you don't recognize that is frightening. It say if you were in office, you would dictate your morals to me, and attempt to make them mine becasue your morals are "universal absolutes".

[orrery]

Just for clarification, Firecat is FC-UK aka Raffy and not an American as he pretends to be.

[Phuct]

Do you have evidence of this accusation?


Just for clarification, Firecat is FC-UK aka Raffy and not an American as he pretends to be.

[Firecat]

I've never posted as any of those people.

I've posted as Firecat on Pravda, the other IH, WhistleStopper, and here.

The only other nick I've ever had was RushLimbaugh (I think that's what it was). It was on Pravda and I think I probably posted using it about 4 or 5 times.

Aleph Null, on the other hand, has threatened to "report me to the authorities for closer scrutiny".

LMAO!

Just another reason why people like that need someone to make sure they take all their meds.

Aleph is a fucking nuisance dingbat. Period.

[Firecat]

OOOOPS!

I forgot one.

When some asshole was using my nick on this board (and it was probably Aleph Null) I started another nick Real Firecat.

COLD BUSTED, ALEPH. I almost forgot about that... you're such an insignificant little TWAT of a shit... LOL!

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[Bag Sniper]

That's "double OR nothing:" firecunt you stupid fuck .... but only a dumbass liberal would bet double FOR nothing ....:add09:

Christ what a fuckin moron ....

[Firecat]

No, only a fucktard would go DOUBLE FOR NOTHING, you poor excuse for a cunt.

LOL!

Hey... which one of your warpig FUCKS is going to get indicted tomorrow? Got any money on any of them?

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[Lotimer]

That's "double OR nothing:" firecunt you stupid fuck .... but only a dumbass liberal would bet double FOR nothing ....:add09:

Christ what a fuckin moron ....
Certainly not near as dumb as you posting a video of someone sniping rock chucks and you claiming it was terrorists being shot in Afghanistan.



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[orrery]

Do you have evidence of this accusation?

accusation? Far from an accusation, I was merely stating my opinion of course, which, just so happens to also rank high on the probability scale of being true fact. Let's see.... 85%

Besides, FC-UK is the only IH poster who has ever used "illegal, immoral, and unnecessary" and you'll also note that despite being an IH addict "FC-UK" disappeared from IH and Firecat emerged, while at the same time, FC-UK on IH2 still claims he frequents both forums. The II&U is his unmistakable calling card. He uses the same linguistic style and everything. Those three words, in that order. He's even fucked up his personality a few times while posting on IH2 and IH at the same time. Always difficult to keep a lie together especially when you call him by one on the wrong forum and he seems to not notice. ;)

You'll also notice that as IH2 people are migrating here to IH and he's not had that as an outlet, his otherwise repressed personality is beginning to impose itself more onto IH. I've been watching his meltdown for quite some time now.

[Firecat]

It was in an email from his BEST FRIEND...

LOLOL!!!!

This night is turning out to be really fucking funny! We've got two of the neocons here telling me that only an idiot would go DOUBLE FOR NOTHING... and that's exactly what DUBYA IS DOING!

LOLOLOLOLOL!

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[Firecat]

accusation? Far from an accusation, I was merely stating my opinion of course, which, just so happens to also rank high on the probability scale of being true fact. Let's see.... 85%

HERE'S WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR "85" PER CE:add09: NT, ALEPH.

You send an email to CBaby.

They will check out the IPs.

And you will still be the DUMBSHIT FUCKING "INTERNET TUFF GUY" you've always been... and don't worry, everybody here will still think of you as the colostomy bag of a wastoid shit that you are.

Don't worry about that.

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[orrery]

Please tell us, FC, on what authority would this war be illegal? Congress is the highest legal authority to which the President answers to, and Congress authorized the action. Not only are you a pathetic liar, but you're an idiot as well who doesn't understand the legal authority structure.

[Firecat]

Please tell us, FC, on what authority would this war be illegal? Congress is the highest legal authority to which the President answers to, and Congress authorized the action. Not only are you a pathetic liar, but you're an idiot as well who doesn't understand the legal authority structure.


Go fuck yourself, you fucking wannabe Junior FBI Man.

I don't even waste my spit on an asshole like you. You're the variety of slack-jawed cumsuckers that don't deserve the air you're breathing.

I'd rather talk to anyone on this board than you, including Bag Likker, who is just a bit up the food chain from the ordinary corpse maggot.

Get the fuck off my thread, asshole... and the next time you try to threaten me or "accuse" me of something, I think you'd be WELL ADVISED TO HAVE YOUR DUCKS IN A FUCKING ROW.

You follow?

[Bag Sniper]

accusation? Far from an accusation, I was merely stating my opinion of course, which, just so happens to also rank high on the probability scale of being true fact. Let's see.... 85%

Besides, FC-UK is the only IH poster who has ever used "illegal, immoral, and unnecessary" and you'll also note that despite being an IH addict "FC-UK" disappeared from IH and Firecat emerged, while at the same time, FC-UK on IH2 still claims he frequents both forums. The II&U is his unmistakable calling card. He uses the same linguistic style and everything. Those three words, in that order. He's even fucked up his personality a few times while posting on IH2 and IH at the same time. Always difficult to keep a lie together especially when you call him by one on the wrong forum and he seems to not notice. ;)

Same shit with that dumbass what's-his-name that was here for a little while who wrote just like alotashit .... aka Raffy from IH the Mosque ...

They're all tweakers .... not fooling anyone ...

[Firecat]

They're all tweakers .... not fooling anyone ...

I was thinking that you and I could have a great social life, Baggie.

Wanna BLOW ME?

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I got 10 bucks on Rove... you put any money down yet?

[orrery]

Why don't you just go cry about it ya big baby. You've been exposed as a moron and a liar time and again who's soul purpose is preying on weak and innocent people and attempting to deceive them with the ignorance of your lies and propaganda. Get over yourself you fucking cumguzzling gutterslut.

And quit trying to sell the lie of an "illegal" / "immoral" war. You can harp on unnecessary all day long I could give a rats ass. But "illegal" and "immoral" prove you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.

[zapcomix]

Go fuck yourself, you fucking wannabe Junior FBI Man.

I don't even waste my spit on an asshole like you. You're the variety of slack-jawed cumsuckers that don't deserve the air you're breathing.

I'd rather talk to anyone on this board than you, including Bag Likker, who is just a bit up the food chain from the ordinary corpse maggot.

Get the fuck off my thread, asshole... and the next time you try to threaten me or "accuse" me of something, I think you'd be WELL ADVISED TO HAVE YOUR DUCKS IN A FUCKING ROW.

You follow?
LMFAO............................................. ............................

[Firecat]

You've been exposed as a moron and a liar time and again who's soul purpose is preying on weak and innocent people

HOWL!!!!

LMFAO!

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Do you need me to quote your posts to you, you sniveling little rat turd?

Look, asswipe.

You start a thread and start posting my "lies". If you can post ONE SINGLE LIE I'll leave this board.

If you CAN'T, then YOU LEAVE.

You DO know what a lie is, right?

That would be an INTENTIONAL MIS-STATEMENT OF FACT by me.

You can't do it, so SI-A-FUCKING-NARA you dweeb.

[orrery]

Yeah Firecat, its not my fault that the decrease in your IH2 activity has resulted in your personality spilling over into your alternate IH identity. I mean, its only to be expected. Why don't you just come clean and let go of your facade.

[Firecat]

Why don't you prove it?

I have nothing to hide... and if you keep accusing me of this publicly I believe you will regret it...

I think CBaby needs to be involved. Are you going to do it or shall I?

[orrery]

One lie? Thats it?

Very well.

You claimed that current military actions in Iraq are illegal.

This is a lie. Military Action can only be authorized by the U.S. Congress which is the supreme source of law to which the President is accountable. That authorization was provided by the U.S. Congress and therefore, military action in Iraq is 100% legal.

Furthermore, military action in Iraq has resulted in the emergence of a democratic government, and deposed the tyrannically oppressive and illegitimate government of Saddam Hussein. Thus, moral.

So, you stated that Dubya was leading an illegal war. That's your lie. Now leave.

Understand dipshit, that in 1666 posts you have 1 green block compared to my 10 green blocks in 1,311 posts. No one is going to miss you. Get fucking lost, I tire of your constant spamming and 5-starring yourself.

[Firecat]

That's not a lie, it's my opinion based on my understand of the UN Charter, the US Constitution, and other international laws and treaties.

You're really fucking pathetic... Mr. "Precision Intel"!

LOL!

Fuck you, I can see that you're not up to the task... but now I've given you something to keep your pea brain occupied.

How do people like you survive long enough to learn how to operate a PC? It's truly amazing. I would have thought from your posts that you'd be Soylent Green YEARS ago.

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[orrery]

Dude, you lied. Your cover has been blown. Get lost.

[Firecat]

Get fucking lost, I tire of your constant spamming and 5-starring yourself.


LOLOLOL!

How many nicks did you have to give yourself all those greenies?

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!


:sex_01: <== that's you, my BITCH, on the bottom.

[Firecat]

No, YOU get lost... you haven't proven a thing... you're a limp dick, we all know that... but you can't show a single lie so you gotta split dude...

So long... It's not been real...

Dude...

[Firecat]

This is exactly how bad Dubya doesn't "get it":


"I know this is a trying time for our military spouses. We've lost some of our nation's finest men and women in the war on terror."

"And the best way to honor the sacrifice of our fallen troops is to complete the mission and lay the foundation of peace by spreading freedom."



-------Bush speech at Bolling AFB, October 25

The war on terror?

This is exactly the bait and switch tactic I told you about in the thread starter. These people didn't die in the "war on terror". They died in Dubya's War On Iraq, which should be subtitled "the war of political desparation that never needed to be fought."

This is an INSULT to your intelligence, Americans. Are you going to sit still while your president stands before you and lies to your face? He must think you're pretty damn stupid.

[SCHICK]

From todays Press Confrence

Journalist......Does the Vice President tell the American people lies?
Response.....The Vice President like the President are straightforward, plain spoken people........WTF is that?

[Phuct]

I'll say it again here:



I was actually thinking of dissecting the original post, both here and on iH2- but what would be the point? We've been down that road thousands of times, with nothing proven with any certainty. At this level, I don't think it's about the men, but more about an "I'm right and your wrong!" mentality.

A correction to this post, for it was brought to my attention (correctly) that I mispoke. What I meant to say is instead of Saddam was what al Queda did on 9/11.

[Firecat]

phuct... of course we knew that was a simple oversight on your part. You're on top of it, too bad we don't agree on this thread.

We've got to get this thing stopped... nothing has changed and the US is naive to believe anything ever will change. You can't make people "democratized" at gunpoint.

October 25, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2002.

747 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

October 28, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2008.

741 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Strike4ce]

How many people have been killed or wounded by al-Qaeda?

What percentage of the number killed or wounded by Bush's war do you think it is? 5%? 10%? Maybe I'd give you 25%.

Whether I enjoy the freedoms of this country or don't is TOTALLY IRRELEVENT to this post. There ARE moral absolutes at play here. I hold the present executive branch of this government LIABLE FOR THE DEATHS OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS and 2000 Americans, almost all of whom would have been alive today if it wasn't for the CORRUPTION AND LIES THEY TRADE IN.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this, because I believe that anyone, make that EVERYONE, who stands by and watches this happen without questioning its validity is a few bricks short of a load.
You keep calling this Bush's war. Why? Did Bush get there alone? Nope, he sure didnt. Must I bitch slap you with all those democrats statements on Iraq? They all voted "YEA" to allow this to happen. Come election time it was unpoular to democratic politicians, because they knew they could count on Dumbfuckers like yourself to believe their lie. The lie that they are and were against the war. The quotes prove they were all for it. You're a pawn. You were used.So which is it? Illegal war? Lies? or a good cause? If its illegal, how can it be illegal when democratic politicians like John Kerry voted "YEA"? If its a lie, well once again who voted "YEA"? Who made comments that Saddam was a threat to the whole world? Guess who? A little hint. DEMOCRATS!!!Now we get to the good cause question. The IRaqis support their constitution. The Iraqis dont want the US to leave to soon. The Iraqis are by far better off then they were with SADDAM. You cant handle this. It pains you everyday to see good things happening. Phuct got it right when he said all this amounts to is a "I WIN YOU LOSE" mentality. Thats you in a nutshell Firecat. I hope Hobbes comments on this thread and Bitch slaps you again.

[Strike4ce]

Just for clarification, Firecat is FC-UK aka Raffy and not an American as he pretends to be.
I figured as much. Neither is Wanderer1.

[Strike4ce]

OOOOPS!

I forgot one.

When some asshole was using my nick on this board (and it was probably Aleph Null) I started another nick Real Firecat.

COLD BUSTED, ALEPH. I almost forgot about that... you're such an insignificant little TWAT of a shit... LOL!

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If it was him, he would have been booted.

[Strike4ce]

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." S - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.......

[Firecat]

October 29, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2012.

737 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

October 29, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2013.

736 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

October 29, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2015.

734 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

October 29, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2016.

733 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Voice of Reason]

Just for clarification, Firecat is FC-UK aka Raffy and not an American as he pretends to be.
I don't think so... FCUK is a bad speller, dyslexic, and often uses words incorrectly, as if English is a 2nd language. Also, he has that really annoying habit of posting stuff in huge letters. The angrier he gets, the more these problems show up. I don't like him at all.

Firecat, on the other hand, while sharing FCUK's BDS and typical Liberal contempt for everything Republican, exhibits no English problems of any sort that I can see. And while he and I are strongly at odds over many topics, I respect his intellect and find him likeable.

They seem to be different personalities altogether, IMO.

Just my 2 cents, not that it's important or anything.

[Firecat]

VOR...
I'll give you $3.98 so you can get yerself a cuppa.

I don't really have contempt for everything Republican. I like Abe Lincoln.

[Ethyl]

"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!"
General George S. Patton - (addressing to his troops before Operation Overlord) - 5th June 1944

[sweetchild]

Guess what, politicians lie sometimes. You didn't know that? Where the fuck have you been living, a cave?

Do they lie for the right reasons when they lie is the only question that interestes me. For Bush and Blair on Iraq, yes they did it for the right reasons. On lots of domestic policy in both cases, maybe for the wrong but there we go.

PS, I'm not American and didn't (ever) vote for the PM so you should be worshipping me as your enlightened saviour with my nuanced European moral superiority.

lying, even for the "right" reason makes democracy a sham. if a leader in a democracy says what he does is "right" even if folks think its wrong, whats the difference from the kings & sultans in the past?

[Boomer]

When Dubya ordered the US military to attack Iraq, there were a number of things wrong with that picture.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Firecat again".

About as succinct a summation of the Iraq fiasco at the 2k milestone as any I've read. Thanks, Firecat.

[Boomer]

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
And as we have now learned to our regret, the sanctions, inspections and Oil for Food program had accomplished just this. The Bushites knew this in 2003, but didn't care. They were determined to launch the "visionary", and crackbrained, neo-con regime change strategy for the benefit of big oil and Israel, no matter what the facts were.

[Firecat]

Thanks, Boomer.

[sweetchild]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Firecat again".

About as succinct a summation of the Iraq fiasco at the 2k milestone as any I've read. Thanks, Firecat.

one can understand usa's need to show the world that they will not resort to radical kamikaze tactic & they have the WMDs to defend & avenge harm done to their the country.

however, like everything we do in this world, we should have a bottomline or tolerance level & be able to distinguish when something is done for the national interests & honour of the country vs what is done merely for personal greed/agenda.

[zapcomix]

however, like everything we do in this world, we should have a bottomline or tolerance level & be able to distinguish when something is done for the national interests & honour of the country vs what is done merely for personal greed/agenda.
"what is done merely for personal greed/agenda"....hmmmm and who is profiting from this "quagmire" we are stuck in? Bush? Bush has been fighting an uphill battle for this war from the start. Would you say, his "agenda" looks good these days? He is awful popular these days...
Or Cheney... he and his office are under a microscope and he's popular with the public too...

Sorry, dosen't cut the mustard.

[Firecat]

"what is done merely for personal greed/agenda"....hmmmm and who is profiting from this "quagmire" we are stuck in?

That's simple. Whenever hundreds of billions of dollars are loaded up and shipped off somewhere, some of it falls off the wagon. Nobody seems to notice who picks it up. Look at the companies who are profiting off of Bush's war... it's a Who's Who of GOPERLAND.

Political agenda? You bet. The agenda was to engage the US in a shooting war so Dubya could call himself a "war president". The American elecotrate doesn't change presidents at the ballot box in the middle of a war.

[Firecat]

October 30, 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2017.

732 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

October 30, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2018.

731 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[jimb]

"what is done merely for personal greed/agenda"....hmmmm and who is profiting from this "quagmire" we are stuck in? Bush? Bush has been fighting an uphill battle for this war from the start. Would you say, his "agenda" looks good these days? He is awful popular these days...
Or Cheney... he and his office are under a microscope and he's popular with the public too...

Sorry, dosen't cut the mustard.

Bush has a very umpopular war in Iraq which does drag our nation down. The polls sees Bush as a loser of most agendas that would aid our nation. Bush has lowered himself down to scaring people with bird flu birdshit and of Iraqi plus USA borders he does not hold nor protect.

[undertaker]

Bush has a very umpopular war in Iraq which does drag our nation down. The polls sees Bush as a loser of most agendas that would aid our nation. Bush has lowered himself down to scaring people with bird flu birdshit and of Iraqi plus USA borders he does not hold nor protect.

and dont forgetum there neo-com agender iz lot and lot of prophet fom lumber boards too rebuilt NO.
All of job be gone to chinermens benefits an we left hoding the baggs of sand or ashes!
Sweetchildred be one dumm brad!

Orson

[jimb]

and dont forgetum there neo-com agender iz lot and lot of prophet fom lumber boards too rebuilt NO.
All of job be gone to chinermens benefits an we left hoding the baggs of sand or ashes!
Sweetchildred be one dumm brad!

Orson

Rebuilding the lower end of N O is to put N O
on a duck pond to have more people drown.

[Firecat]

October 31, 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2024.

725 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[digger-t]

fuck off...

[Firecat]

October 31, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2026.

723 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

October was the second bloodiest month of the year next to January.

96 Americans lost their lives in October, bringing the average up to 3.1 killed per day.

That compares poorly with the previous period of 1.71 per day.

[overwatch]

October was the second bloodiest month of the year next to January.

96 Americans lost their lives in October, bringing the average up to 3.1 killed per day.

That compares poorly with the previous period of 1.71 per day.

And don't you just love it.

Whats the sedition in wartime legislation like in your part of the world?

[Firecat]

And don't you just love it.

Whats the sedition in wartime legislation like in your part of the world?

Love what? The fact that the executive branch has provoked a war based on lies that has cost over 2000 American lives? I thought that would be something the warpiggies might like since they're always glorifying sacrifice.

Are we at war? At war with whom? al-Qaeda? I thought the MISSION was ACCOMPLISHED, asshole.

[overwatch]

Love what? The fact that the executive branch has provoked a war based on lies that has cost over 2000 American lives? I thought that would be something the warpiggies might like since they're always glorifying sacrifice.

Are we at war? At war with whom? al-Qaeda? I thought the MISSION was ACCOMPLISHED, asshole.

We're at war with the jihadis and it's not going to be a short war given that winning will require the total extermination of the other side. And no, the mission in the Iraqi theatre isn't accomplished, your pres got that one wrong. But did you never get anything wrong?

I think he's since figured out he got it wrong and has maintained the commitment to that theatre to ensure that allied forces have sufficient strength to continue to reduce enemy numbers in theatre in concert with national Iraqi forces.

"Warpiggies"?? I bet you want to have Chomskys babies and think being anti-American is a shortcut to sainthood don't you?

[Firecat]

"Warpiggies"?? I bet you want to have Chomskys babies and think being anti-American is a shortcut to sainthood don't you?

No, but being a founding member of the cuckolded "British Empire" conga line of lapdogs isn't going to get you anywhere, either.

;)

I'm assuming you're a Brit. If so, you ought to have a better understanding of the art of "nation-building". The sun never set on the British Empire, consisting mainly of 3rd world countries being exploited for every last farthing that could be wrung out of them and setting the stage for the anti-colonial revolt in the 19-20th centuries. Yes indeedy.

[overwatch]

No, but being a founding member of the cuckolded "British Empire" conga line of lapdogs isn't going to get you anywhere, either.

;)

I'm assuming you're a Brit. If so, you ought to have a better understanding of the art of "nation-building". The sun never set on the British Empire, consisting mainly of 3rd world countries being exploited for every last farthing that could be wrung out of them and setting the stage for the anti-colonial revolt in the 19-20th centuries. Yes indeedy.

Some rebelled, some stayed loyal. The only one that did better out of rebellion than loyalty was your own nation. It was also the only rebelious province that didn't engage in victimhood mentality.

There's probably a lesson in there, don't you think?

[Firecat]

The only one that did better out of rebellion than loyalty was your own nation.

That's the subject of a debate for which I don't have time. I have a J-O-B to go to in the morning.

However, it would be interesting to get the point of view of those nations who enjoyed the benefits of the Commonwealth... in their own words.

[lonewarrior]

And don't you just love it.

Whats the sedition in wartime legislation like in your part of the world?

Sadly we currently dont have any legislation against these guys....well not just yet. I did hear that something might be in the works.

[Firecat]

Maybe someone will attach an amendment to it that will repeal the war powers act and make it a crime punishable by death to lie to the American people in order to win support for a war.

Yeah, that's the ticket. PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

November 1, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2027.

722 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.
http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/01/wviet01.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/01/ixworld.html
Spy agency faked key Vietnam War data
By Francis Harris
(Filed: 01/11/2005)

One of America's spy agencies faked key intelligence used to justify its intervention in the Vietnam War, it was disclosed yesterday.

But the revelation was kept secret by the National Security Agency, partly because of fears that it would boost criticism of the intelligence services over the war in Iraq.

According to material uncovered by the NSA's own historian, Robert Hanyok, middle-ranking officers altered material relating to the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Two US destroyers, Maddox and Turner Joy, were attacked by North Vietnamese craft in the gulf on Aug 2 1964.

Two days later, amid bad weather and considerable confusion in the US chain of command, Maddox reported that she had been fired on a second time.

Although its commander soon cast doubt on the reports, signals intelligence reported that the North Vietnamese admitted "we sacrificed two ships".

In revenge President Lyndon Johnson ordered air raids against North Vietnamese naval facilities and Congress authorised "all necessary steps including the use of armed force" to defend South Vietnam.

But Mr Hanyok found that timings on key intelligence intercepts had been changed and the "two ships" probably referred to the loss of two sailors in the first attack.

He blamed middle-ranking staff who realised the NSA's mistakes almost immediately but covered them up, not for political reasons, but to hide the original mistakes.

At the time, senior administration officials cited the faked paperwork in testimony before Congress.

It has even been suggested that President Johnson was so keen to deploy troops that he fabricated the whole episode. More than 58,000 Americans and a million Vietnamese died in the ensuing conflict.

[Firecat]

Cheney's new security adviser linked to bogus information on Iraq

By Jonathan S. Landay and Warren P. Strobel

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney replaced I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby as his national security adviser on Monday with an aide identified by a former Iraqi exile group as the White House official to whom it fed information on Iraq that turned out to be erroneous. Erroneous my ass. This was outright lying.

The Bush administration relied on some of the information from the Iraqi National Congress to argue that Saddam Hussein had to be ousted before he could give banned biological or chemical weapons to al-Qaida for strikes on the United States. Relied on it? BULLSHIT. They SOLICITED it.

But no such weapons were discovered after the March 2003 invasion, and U.S. intelligence agencies and the independent commission on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks found no evidence of operational cooperation between Iraq and al-Qaida.

The White House announced on Monday the elevation of John Hannah to replace Libby as Cheney's national security adviser. Earlier in the day it announced that Libby would be arraigned Thursday in federal court on charges of perjury, making false statements and obstruction of justice. He was expected to plead innocent.

The White House also announced that David S. Addington, who's been Cheney's legal counsel, would assume Libby's duties as chief of staff. Like Hannah, Addington has played a quiet, though influential, role in the vice president's office. The Washington director of Human Rights Watch accused Addington of helping draft policies that led to the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The vice president's office has previously denied that Hannah received INC information. Cheney's office didn't respond immediately to questions Monday about Hannah and Addington.

The INC's leader, Ahmad Chalabi, now a deputy prime minister in Iraq, was close to Cheney and other senior administration architects of the invasion. The INC supplied Iraqi defectors whose information turned out to be false. It has insisted that it tried its best to verify defectors' claims before passing them to the United States.

On June 26, 2002, the INC wrote a letter to the Senate Appropriations Committee staff identifying Hannah as the White House recipient of information gathered by the group through a U.S.-funded effort called the Information Collection Program. Knight Ridder obtained a copy of the letter and previously reported on it.

The letter, written by Entifadh Qanbar, then the director of the INC's Washington office, identified 108 articles in leading Western news media to which it said the INC had funneled the same information that it fed to Hannah, as well as a senior Pentagon official.

The information included a claim by an INC-supplied defector, Adnan Ihsan al-Haideri, that he had visited 20 secret nuclear, biological and chemical warfare facilities in Iraq.

Haideri's claim first appeared in a Dec. 20, 2001, article in The New York Times and then in a White House background paper, "A Decade of Deception and Defiance," released in conjunction with a Sept. 12, 2002, speech to the U.N. General Assembly by Bush.

Haideri, however, showed deception in a CIA-administered lie detector test three days before The New York Times article appeared, and was unable to identify a single illicit arms facility when he accompanied U.S. weapons inspectors to Iraq in January 2004, Knight Ridder reported in May of last year.

The White House background paper also cited INC-produced defectors' claims that Saddam ran a terrorist training camp outside Baghdad in Salman Pak where Iraqi and non-Iraqi Islamic extremists were schooled in assassination, sabotage and the hijacking of aircraft and trains.

After the war, U.S. officials determined that a facility in Salman Pak was used to train Iraqi anti-terrorist commandos.

Addington has been a key player behind widely criticized U.S. policies that have led to torture and other abuse of detainees held in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to Tom Malinowski, Washington director of Human Rights Watch.

He reportedly helped draft an opinion by then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales stating that the Geneva Convention didn't apply to some detainees in the war on terrorism.

"This was somebody who worked very hard to make sure the advice of senior military officials and national security professionals on the question of interrogation policies was ignored," Malinowski said. "The result was an unmitigated disaster for the United States."

Libby was both Cheney's chief of staff and national security adviser. He was accused of lying in a two-year grand jury investigation into the leaking to journalists of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame in 2003.

The leak came after her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, accused President Bush of misleading the nation by alleging in January 2003 that Iraq had tried to buy uranium ore, the feedstock of nuclear weapons, from the African nation of Niger.

Wilson visited Niger a year earlier at the CIA's request and found no substance to the allegation.

[Firecat]

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

53% of Americans believe that George Dubya Bush lied to them about the necessity to go to war in Iraq. DELIBERATELY LIED ABOUT WMDS.

[Firecat]

November 2, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2028.

721 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[stewey]

Firecat, you seem a bit too happy over the deaths

[Firecat]

Stewey... nothing could be further from the truth.



November 2, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2035.

714 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[lonewarrior]

Stewey... nothing could be further from the truth.



November 2, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2035.

714 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.Then why do this?
Come on man, have some loyality to YOUR Nation.
However one cuts it, we are @ war. We did not start it.
This MIGHT interest you. In the last world war by this time, the allied body count was way higher.

[stewey]

You sure seem excited for being so upset, Firecat. Must be the socialism passion! You sure are raging against the machine!

[Voice of Reason]

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

53% of Americans believe that George Dubya Bush lied to them about the necessity to go to war in Iraq. DELIBERATELY LIED ABOUT WMDS.
All your (figuratively speaking) propagandizing is having some effect! Keep up the good work!

Just as, no matter how the winds shift and howl, the North Star stays in place and always gives a true bearing to the North, right is right and stays in place no matter how the polls are swaying this way and that. You cannot determine truth by a poll.

[Firecat]

November 3 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2037.

712 TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

Those of us who have realized that Dubya is nothing but a 4th rate sand pounder are on top of it, the rest of you will come along nicely in the near future.

[lonewarrior]

November 3 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2037.

712 TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

Those of us who have realized that Dubya is nothing but a 4th rate sand pounder are on top of it, the rest of you will come along nicely in the near future.Double or nothing? wasn't your first thread a countdown to 2000? So double would make it 4000.

[Firecat]

November 4 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2042.

707 TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

Double for nothing, Mr. T... the terrorist attack of 9/11 cost 2749 lives. In the next few months, if nothing is done to stop it, we will have lost an equal number of soldiers in Dubya's illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war.

Double for nothing.

[Firecat]

November 5 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2044.

705 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

November 5 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.

703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[zapcomix]

November 5 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.

703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Blood thirsty little wench...

[sweetchild]

Blood thirsty little wench...

Proper Reactions: Multiple Choice

Option 1
"GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.
703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Yahooo !! More die more die more die !! Yahoooo !!!"

Option 2
"GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.
703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Goddamnit !! How many more are we gonna send to die !! Stop it godamnit !!!"

Option 3
"GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.
703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Please dont count. I prefer NOT to know."

[lonewarrior]

November 4 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2042.

707 TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

Double for nothing, Mr. T... the terrorist attack of 9/11 cost 2749 lives. In the next few months, if nothing is done to stop it, we will have lost an equal number of soldiers in Dubya's illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war.

Double for nothing.Man Mr B. That is sure messed up logic.
You just do not get it. Sad really.

[zapcomix]

Proper Reactions: Multiple Choice

Option 1
"GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.
703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Yahooo !! More die more die more die !! Yahoooo !!!"

Option 2
"GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.
703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Goddamnit !! How many more are we gonna send to die !! Stop it godamnit !!!"

Option 3
"GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2046.
703 LEFT TO REACH DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.
Please dont count. I prefer NOT to know."
Besides not being able to add, who the fuck do you think you are convincing with your phoneticly miss-spelled english? Think you have an advantage over US? I don't... have a nice day.

[Firecat]

November 6 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2047.

702 left to reach 2000.

[Ponder]

November 6 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2047.

702 left to reach 2000.

Are the batteries running low on your calculator?

[Firecat]

Sorry, Ponder, it's my cranium. I had a horrible week at work, too many hours, including hours of driving, and I had to work in a dust environment that has made mincemeat of my sinuses.

Now that I'm done whining, I will correct.

It should be 2749 instead of 2000. Maybe it was wishful thinking.

[Firecat]

November 6 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2048.

701 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

November 6 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2056.

693 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

It sure didn't take Dubya long to piss away 56 people's lives.

[Firecat]

November 8 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2057.

692 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

November 9 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2058.

691 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

Raised from the dead by Dubya's religious right...

September 11, 2005 UPDATE AND CORRECTION....

One of them wasn't dead.

GI DEATH TOLL REDUCED TO 2057.

692 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[sweetchild]

Besides not being able to add, who the fuck do you think you are convincing with your phoneticly miss-spelled english? Think you have an advantage over US? I don't... have a nice day.

hmm, i was "adding"? no, it was just multiple choices of reactions to the countdown.

but never is the mind, engleees is not me mother tongue, i speaky speaky englees as secondly language, but i hope u is not minding ok i just wanting to pointing-pointing out 2 u, mmm, ahem, mmm, excoose me, you misspelled "miss-spelled" !!! :love_02:

[Firecat]

November 12 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2062.

687 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[sweetchild]

November 12 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2062.

687 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

"oh man, y'all check out that blonde blue eyed babe, she's hot !!"

"wow, u're right buddy, look at that piece of ass !!"

"lets go chat her up. who knows we might get some action 2nite, uhuk uhuk"

group of mightie righties ignoring death toll countdown.

[Firecat]

They're thinking with their other head and obviously their hearts have malfunctioned.

[Firecat]

November 12 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2063.

686 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

November 13, 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2065

684 left to hit DOUBLE FOR NOTHING

[Firecat]

November 15, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2072.

677 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

November 16, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2080.

669 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Firecat]

November 17, 2005 UPDATE

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[Firecat]

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[emtae]

Just for clarification, Firecat is FC-UK aka Raffy and not an American as he pretends to be.

Holy smokes, are you sure or is that just a guess on your part??? Firecat is the same as FC_UK????? That would be interesting to know for sure.

[Firecat]

It might be interesting if it were true.

My response to that completely wild guess is somewhere on this board.

[Firecat]

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[Firecat]

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[overwatch]

Busy are we ghoul?

[Firecat]

Why don't you come on over and smoke my pipe, you sniveling excuse for a warpig?

Heeeeere piggy piggy... heeeeere... ssooooooooo EEEEEEE....

[sweetchild]

Busy are we ghoul?

yup, & thats just basic official body count. if ya wanna total all the expenses & costs & wasted manhours & resources & those maimed & wounded etc etc, the sheer toll of keeping track is gonna swamp up ur life ...

[Firecat]

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It sure didn't take the Bushies long to PISS AWAY ANOTHER 100 AMERICAN LIVES.

[Firecat]

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[Firecat]

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[zapcomix]

Why don't you come on over and smoke my pipe, you sniveling excuse for a warpig?

Heeeeere piggy piggy... heeeeere... ssooooooooo EEEEEEE....
what are you? 10-11-12 years old... does your mommy know you are playing on the internet?

[Firecat]

Are you overwatch? I posted that to overwatch.

However, if you want to get involved I'll make the same offer to you.

[zapcomix]

Are you overwatch? I posted that to overwatch.

However, if you want to get involved I'll make the same offer to you.
The last time I looked, no I'm not Overwatch. Posted is posted to the world... Thanx, but no thanx, I've got some great "pipe fixins".

[Firecat]

Good for you.

I'll try to be more concise next time I post to overwatch.

[Firecat]

November 26, 2005 UPDATE

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[sweetchild]

November 26, 2005 UPDATE

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- 2107 sons or brothers or husbands or fiancee or boyfriend or cousins or friends.
- 2107 loved ones.

but well, someone else's, of course ...

[Firecat]

Sweetchild....

On another board somebody actually tried to argue that this was only 0.4% of the total troop deployment so it was OK.

I asked them what percentage dead the 2100 were.

[Firecat]

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[Hobbes]

It took a big jump today. Some of these are my friends, ASSHOLE. I hope you're enjoying this.

[OldGit]

I'll say it again here:



I was actually thinking of dissecting the original post, both here and on iH2- but what would be the point? We've been down that road thousands of times, with nothing proven with any certainty. At this level, I don't think it's about the men, but more about an "I'm right and your wrong!" mentality.

You know, behind that kind of argument, there is a real true and false and Firecat is on the right side of the argument. Arguing that Bush did the right thing, is like arguing that the earth is flat. It isn't, and he didn't.

[OldGit]

It took a big jump today. Some of these are my friends, ASSHOLE. I hope you're enjoying this.

Your sorrow is shared by all here except the mad. If people had taken Firecat's view on this matter, none of you would be there, and the world would be a lot safer than it is now. You won't agree of course, and I respect that. Take care and if there is a God, may he watch over you.

[lonewarrior]

It took a big jump today. Some of these are my friends, ASSHOLE. I hope you're enjoying this.Many of these liberals do.
Do not worry though, few folks care what the left thinks and even some of their own are starting to break ranks and cheer you guys and the mission on.:)

[Hobbes]

Your sorrow is shared by all here except the mad. If people had taken Firecat's view on this matter, none of you would be there, and the world would be a lot safer than it is now. You won't agree of course, and I respect that. Take care and if there is a God, may he watch over you.

Well said, and thank you.

[OldGit]

Well said, and thank you.

You're welcome Hobbes.

[Firecat]

December 2, 2005 UPDATE

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Sorry about your friends.

Perhaps if you would have had a bit more courage to join us in trying to stop the war, some of them may still be alive today.

[Ono]

wow

[JustAVoice]

...
Perhaps if you would have had a bit more courage to join us in trying to stop the war, some of them may still be alive today.

Firecat's words translate into:



...
"Perhaps if the U.S. military never went to war, soldiers would still be alive....in fact, if nobody ever signed up for U.S. military service, the world would be at peace."

[Firecat]

NO they don't.

There is no translation necessary.

But I will amplify the point since you seem to crave some further discussion on it.

Me and millions of other people around this country and the globe thought that if the US was going to attack the Iraqis we better have our ducks in a row.

What ducks?

1. First of all we better know damn sure that we needed to attack Iraq for a military reason. That military reason would be that they were a threat to us or our interests. WE ASKED TO SEE THE PROOF AND IT WAS NEVER DELIVERED. All we got was a half-baked snow job from the executive branch, who purposely and deliberately distorted the truth about the situation in Iraq because they wanted a "war president".

2. When you go out to overthrow a government you better know what's going to happen AFTER the shooting stops. Military leaders, intelligence officers, historians, and others all warned Bush that the power vacuum in Iraq would rapidly deteriorate into an uncontrollable situation. Guess what? It did.

That's just 2 of those ducks. There are plenty more.

I am not inclined to adopt a position of "I told ya so". But we DID tell ya so. What I will NOT do, however, is sit idly by and let revisionists tell me I'm gloating over the deaths of soldiers by keeping a running tally of their deaths in the public conscience.

That's just plain bullshit.

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

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[JustAVoice]

NO they don't.

There is no translation necessary.

But I will amplify the point since you seem to crave some further discussion on it.

Me and millions of other people around this country and the globe thought that if the US was going to attack the Iraqis we better have our ducks in a row.

What ducks?

1. First of all we better know damn sure that we needed to attack Iraq for a military reason. That military reason would be that they were a threat to us or our interests. WE ASKED TO SEE THE PROOF AND IT WAS NEVER DELIVERED. All we got was a half-baked snow job from the executive branch, who purposely and deliberately distorted the truth about the situation in Iraq because they wanted a "war president".

2. When you go out to overthrow a government you better know what's going to happen AFTER the shooting stops. Military leaders, intelligence officers, historians, and others all warned Bush that the power vacuum in Iraq would rapidly deteriorate into an uncontrollable situation. Guess what? It did.

That's just 2 of those ducks. There are plenty more.

I am not inclined to adopt a position of "I told ya so". But we DID tell ya so. What I will NOT do, however, is sit idly by and let revisionists tell me I'm gloating over the deaths of soldiers by keeping a running tally of their deaths in the public conscience.

That's just plain bullshit.


Noone told anyone so...moron....

Post a link to an intelligence report or a comment by you from PRIOR to the Iraq War that said Iraq had no WMD's.......

Meanwhile, I refer you to Bill Clinton's waging of War with Iraq in 1998 by bombing the country....the same UN Resolutions he used to justify military action THEN, are the ones used by the Bush Administration in 2003.

btw, I agreed with both actions....did you??

[Voice of Reason]

...........

I am not inclined to adopt a position of "I told ya so". But we DID tell ya so. What I will NOT do, however, is sit idly by and let revisionists tell me I'm gloating over the deaths of soldiers by keeping a running tally of their deaths in the public conscience.

That's just plain bullshit.
Feeling a little defensive, are we?

What you're saying about the soldiers makes me ill. That they're just children, duped by an evil genius into carrying out war crimes, in an ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and UNNECESSARY war -- oh but I forget how ready you are to assume the worst of the US military. They're either too stupid to notice the unnecessary, immoral illegality of the effort to which they're dedicating their lives, or they're gleefully complicit in the injustice of it all -- which is it, oh wise one?

I don't know why you don't celebrate the deaths of those whom your ilk considers to be sadistic monsters. Baby-killers, they called them, as they spat on the soldiers returning from Viet Nam, and congratulating themselves for being part of the winning team.

Why aren't you celebrating each casualty? After all, you see each and every one as a prerequisite, a step along the way to your ultimate goal, the day when some magic number is reached, and people will FINALLY listen to you -- acknowledging your wisdom and knowing you were right all along, and we'll FINALLY surrender and bring the troops home, and then you win and we impeach George Bush and put him in a dungeon and throw away the key... and everyone lived happily ever after -- yeah you told us so, Mr. Genius Rocket Scientist. Don't tell me you wouldn't gloat, not that you'll get the chance...

But that's OK, whatever it is you think of our soldiers, gullible innocents or vicious thugs, it is the sacrifice and dedication of millions of them that gave morons like you the privilege of holding idiotic viewpoints and expressing them in public. And they'll continue to do so, with you trying to hold them back every step of the way.

You really make me ill.

[Hobbes]

December 2, 2005 UPDATE

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Sorry about your friends.

Perhaps if you would have had a bit more courage to join us in trying to stop the war, some of them may still be alive today.

You're doing something to end this war? Besides blowing hot air?

I'm here finishing it.

[Firecat]

You may believe that, Hobbes, but nobody else does. That war will never be finished. It will go on long after both of us are gone. I hope you come home in one piece; but what is going on in Iraq at the moment is not going to change anything.

However, some of our troopers are sacrificing everything for this insult to humanity that Bush has wrought.

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[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

insult to humanity that Bush has wrought.



Jesus Christ you are a fucking idiot.
RABID LEFTWING CUNT!!!!

[Firecat]

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[Hobbes]

You may believe that, Hobbes, but nobody else does. That war will never be finished. It will go on long after both of us are gone. I hope you come home in one piece; but what is going on in Iraq at the moment is not going to change anything.

However, some of our troopers are sacrificing everything for this insult to humanity that Bush has wrought.

December 5, 2006

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I agree that this war will not be over by the time we leave. But we are here moving things closer to the conditions required. These people died while making that effort. Pointing it out does nothing to change it. It is what it is.

[Firecat]

December 8, 2005 UPDATE

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It is what it is, but the day the last American leaves Iraq it will go back to being what it was.

That fact doesn't diminish in any way the bravery, dedication, and sacrifice these people have made. It just means that the Bush government has practiced treachery and poor stewardship by sending them into this mess. The net effect of this will be zero.

I hardly watch any television, but a few nights back I was watching Newshour. They show pictures of the fallen in silence. It was a bad day, I think we lost 7. I couldn't keep from weeping as I looked at the images of these young people. Some were formal military portraits; they were putting on their best game face. Others were candid shots... some earnest, serious, or in casual moments of happiness.

How sad. What a waste.

[Firecat]

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[Bag Sniper]

firecunt .... spammeister ....

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

December 10, 2005 UPDATE

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__________________

[Firecat]

What if a post makes you say "This moron who posts pictures of his shit- stained underwear is a typical right wingnut asswipe"?

What then?

[Proud American]

I am not inclined to adopt a position of "I told ya so". But we DID tell ya so. What I will NOT do, however, is sit idly by and let revisionists tell me I'm gloating over the deaths of soldiers by keeping a running tally of their deaths in the public conscience.

That's just plain bullshit.
Well it most certainly seems that way Firecat whether you intend it that way or not, these soldiers have lives, family and friends just like me and you, out of respect since you wont let this thread die, why not put a name and a little info on each soldier instead of just posting them as a number, they are not numbers they are people like me and you. Im just saying theres got to be a more repsctful way to do this. Am I asking too much Firecat?

[Firecat]

Everyone has their own way of paying respect.

My way is to work to make sure that their needless deaths are not compounded by the needless deaths of their comrades.

One of the ways I work to do that is to make sure that everyone who visits this board becomes aware of the number of Americans that have lost their lives in Bush's illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war.

December 11, 2005 UPDATE

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[JustAVoice]

Everyone has their own way of paying respect.

My way is to work to make sure that their needless deaths are not compounded by the needless deaths of their comrades.

One of the ways I work to do that is to make sure that everyone who visits this board becomes aware of the number of Americans that have lost their lives in Bush's illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war.

December 11, 2005 UPDATE

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More Americans died at the hands of other Americans (murder) here in America this year than died in Iraq in 2 1/2 years....why aren't you counting down/adding up those numbers also??

[Firecat]

Because that would be trivializing the deaths of those who die in the service of their country. That would be attempting to rationalize the deaths of our soldiers by claiming that only a few are dying and getting pieces of their bodies blown and shot of, only a few compared to whatever.

I'm not going to do it, because needless death cannot be justified by needless death.

Meanwhile,

December 11, 2005 UPDATE

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[Chap]

:mad_05: :mad_05: :mad_05:

[Firecat]

OH, another anklebiting fool.

This one shits signs out of its head.

A shithead.

Firecat ==> :sex_01: <== Mouth/head shitter "Chap", who got the nickname due to the rash caused by the amazing array of dicks that have rubbed all around and into his anus.

[Chap]

Watch your mouth my little Bitch.

[Firecat]

I have a better idea, cunt. Why don't I post the foulest, most vile, and tasteless shit in every fucking thread you start from here on out?

Mother fucking ASS WIPE. You wanna see BITCH? I'll slap the fucking taste out your mouth for a month of Sundays, BITCH.

[Chap]

Whats wrong boy did i strike a nerve?

[Firecat]

Nope, sonny, you struck out. The sandbox where the trolls live is over there somewhere. It's north, west, east, and south of here.

December 13, 2005 UPDATE

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[Bman]

Nope, sonny, you struck out. The sandbox where the trolls live is over there somewhere. It's north, west, east, and south of here.

December 13, 2005 UPDATE

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Four more empty stockings this Christmas.

RIP


Associated Press Online

December 13, 2005 Tuesday 12:31 PM Eastern Time

Four U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq Bombing

PATRICK QUINN; Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq

Four U.S. Army soldiers died in a roadside bombing, gunmen killed a Sunni Arab candidate for parliament, and militants tried to blow up a leading Shiite politician in separate attacks Tuesday, the last day of campaigning for Iraq's election.

More than 1,000 Sunni clerics, meanwhile, issued a religious edict, or a fatwa, urging Sunni Arabs to vote in Thursday's balloting - offering a seal of approval as members of the disaffected minority are expected to turn out in large numbers after mostly boycotting the landmark Jan. 30 polls.

The bombing northwest of Baghdad killed four Americans soldiers assigned to Task Force Baghdad which handles security in the capital and the surrounding area.

The deaths bring to at least 2,149 the number of U.S. service members to have died since the start of the war in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Ali al-Lami, executive director of the Iraqi Electoral Commission, appealed for peace when about 15 million people will be called on to vote in more than 6,200 polling stations.

Insurgent groups also have in recent days backed way from the threats they used to keep Sunni Arabs away from previous elections.

The militant Islamic Army in Iraq told its fighters not to attack polling stations during the elections to avoid killing civilians, according to a statement published Tuesday in the group's name on the Internet.

Gunmen in the insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, west of Baghdad, killed Sunni Arab candidate Mezher al-Dulaimi while he was filling up his car at a gas station. Al-Dulaimi had participated at a recent conference in Cairo, Egypt, attended by representatives of the country's major factions.

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said that the United States "condemns in the strongest terms the killing of candidates such as Mr. Mezher al-Dulaimi, one of the participants in the Cairo conference, and any attempt to intimidate voters. We want the elections to be clean and fair."

A roadside bomb targeted the convoy of Sheik Jalal Eddin al-Sagheer, a Shiite member of the National Assembly who was elected with the governing United Iraqi Alliance. The Iraqi army said the explosion in Latifiyah, about 20 miles south of Baghdad, damaged one of the vehicles.

Police said a roadside bomb intended for one of their patrols in the central city of Samarra missed, instead killing a child and seriously injuring his father.

Early voting proceeded without problems Monday for Iraqi security forces, hospital patients and prisoners, al-Lami said. Balloting for Iraqis who live abroad opened Tuesday, and began in Australia, where up to 20,000 registered Iraqi voters live. They are part of a group of 1.5 million voters living outside Iraq who will cast ballots at polling centers in 15 countries, including the United States, Canada and the Netherlands.

Khalilzad said he was encouraged by the signs of increased participation.

"I appreciate the statements made by political and religious leaders calling on Sunni Arabs to participate and on insurgents to cease military operations. I believe that the next government will be more representative," he said.

Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi held a pre-election rally in the southern city of Basra for about 1,000 supporters, while former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi hosted a gathering in Baghdad. No campaigning is allowed Wednesday to give Iraqis time to reflect ahead of the vote.

Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, told about 1,000 tribal leaders who gathered in Baghdad's Jadriyah neighborhood that the military wing of his group - the Badr Brigade - was ready to help with election security.

"I declare that the Badr Organization is ready to mobilize 200,000 of its men in all parts of Iraq so that they can play a role in defending Iraqi and Iraqis," said the black-turbaned cleric, who is heading the strong Shiite United Iraqi Alliance slate.

"Violence has no place in any democratic elections. This is a time for national reconciliation though the political process," al-Lami said.

President Bush offered encouraging words from Washington to Iraqi voters but cautioned that the parliamentary elections "won't be perfect."

"Iraqis still have more difficult work ahead, and our coalition and a new Iraqi government will face many challenges," Bush said Monday in a speech in Philadelphia.

Sheik Ahmed Abdul Ghafour al-Samaraie, who heads the Sunni Endowment, the government agency in charge of the maintaining Sunni mosques and shrines, said Iraqis have the right to choose the candidates they want.

"We call upon all the Iraqi people, and this is a fatwa from more than 1,000 Iraqi scholars who are urging Iraqis to vote," he said, speaking to the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television.

The Islamic Army in Iraq, which last week claimed to have killed U.S. hostage Ronald Allen Schulz, stressed its decision not to attack polling stations did not mean it supported the political process and it vowed to continue attacking foreign and Iraqi security forces.

That call came one day after al-Qaida in Iraq and four other Islamic extremist groups issued a rare joint statement denouncing the elections as a "satanic project" and vowing to continue their war to establish an Islamic government in the country. But the statement contained no clear threat to disrupt voting.

The authenticity of the claims could not be verified, but they appeared on Web sites that often publish extremist material.

The absence of a clear-cut threat could reflect the growing interest among Sunni Arabs, the foundation of the insurgency, to participate in the election. The Sunni boycott of the January ballot left parliament in the hands of Shiites and Kurds - a move that increased communal friction and cost the Sunnis considerable influence in drafting the constitution.

U.S. officials hope for a large turnout among the Sunni Arab minority, a development that could produce a government capable of winning the trust of the Sunnis and defusing the insurgency. That would enable U.S. and other foreign troops to begin heading home next year.

Sunni Arab politicians have promised an end to what they term abuse at the hands of the Shiite-dominated security services.

In the northern city of Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, Iraqi police and army enforced a ban on motor vehicle traffic unless the driver has a special permit.

After each polling station, mostly at schools, was checked by bomb-sniffing dogs, Iraqi police took control of the building and U.S. troops placed concrete barriers on all of the roads around it. U.S. cargo trucks delivered the polling materials as well as food and water for the police and soldiers responsible for guarding the polling stations.

The ballots were scheduled to arrive only after election commission personnel were at the site, where they would remain until after the voting was completed. For the most part, plans were going on as scheduled Tuesday, local U.S. commanders reported.

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

I have a better idea, cunt. Why don't I post the foulest, most vile, and tasteless shit in every fucking thread you start from here on out?


AND THAT IS ALL YOU FUCKING DO WITH ALL OF YOUR FUCKING ANTI-BUSH FUCKING THREADS CUNT. AND YOU GO WAVING THE HEADS OF DEAD AMERICAN TROOPS IN THE AIR IN VICTORY TO DO IT YOU FUCKING BULLSHIT SPEWING FUCKING RABID CUNT LEFTWING COCKSUCKING PRICK!!!

RIGHT BACK ATCHA. THIS IS NO DIFFERANT TO WHAT YOU CONSTANTLY POST ASSHOLE:



(I do not give a rats ass what people think of me posting this pic at this point. This prick seriously needs to go fuck himself and I am going to remind the cocksucker in every fucking thread he makes. If you don't like it, write your congressman or put me on ignore.)

[Firecat]

December 13, 2005 UPDATE

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[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

December 13, 2005 UPDATE

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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/pfbI/up-the-shut-fuck.jpg

[Firecat]

Originally Posted by Firecat
I have a better idea, cunt. Why don't I post the foulest, most vile, and tasteless shit in every fucking thread you start from here on out?


:add09:

What a complete ASSWIPE! HOHO HO HO HO XMAS IS EARLY THIS YEAR!

Look, PF, YOU MORON, I was telling this child that I was going to start posting like YOU!

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!!!

Now if you don't mind, back to the business of this thread, which is to remind and shame each Bushie warpiggie back under the rock from which you crawled.

December 15, 2005

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[Firecat]

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[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

December 15, 2005 UPDATE

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.....

[zapcomix]

:add09:

What a complete ASSWIPE! HOHO HO HO HO XMAS IS EARLY THIS YEAR!

Look, PF, YOU MORON, I was telling this child that I was going to start posting like YOU!

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!!!

Now if you don't mind, back to the business of this thread, which is to remind and shame each Bushie warpiggie back under the rock from which you crawled.

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http://wincoast.com/forum/showpost.php?p=469799&postcount=1

[Firecat]

PF... you need to go back to the other board to review the trouncing I gave you for your spamming of my threads.

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

PF... you need to go back to the other board to review the trouncing I gave you for your spamming of my threads.

I am not spamming you. I am doing the exact same thing you are fucking doing cunt when you wave the heads of dead American troops in the air thinking it is helping you in your fucking obbsessive anti-Bush agenda. I am posting the same fucking disgusting shit day after day in this thread, just like you do. SO FUCK UP PRICK THERE IS NOT A FUCKING THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING EXTREME FUCKING RABID LEFTWING COCKSUCKER!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE A TRAITORIST FUCKING CUNTSWAB. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY YOU YELLOW BELLIED FUCKING COWARD PUKE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT COMPLAIN.

YOU FUCKING PUKE.



(I do not give a rats ass what people think of me posting this pic at this point. This prick seriously needs to go fuck himself and I am going to remind the cocksucker in every fucking thread he makes. If you don't like it, write your congressman or put me on ignore.)

[wanderer1]

Hey pig, I thought you'd like to know that posting your disgusting pornographic photos won't change the fact that the alcoholic loitering around the white house has killed 2153 americans.

Now kindly do what all hypocritical flagwaving bible thumpers do and ram a bible up your ass. Thanks in advance.;)

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

Hey pig, I thought you'd like to know that posting your disgusting pornographic photos won't change the fact that the alcoholic loitering around the white house has killed 2153 americans.

Now kindly do what all hypocritical flagwaving bible thumpers do and ram a bible up your ass. Thanks in advance.;)

Your "OPINION" is noted and rammed up your fucking ass back atcha.
I have not been in fucking church since I was 15 you fucking troll idiot. And your post has absolutly nothing to do with why I am posting in this fucking bullshit distastefull thread cunt. now go fuck yourself also. I don't think the visual is needed.

FUCK YOU.

[wanderer1]

Your "OPINION" is noted and rammed up your fucking ass back atcha.
I have not been in fucking church since I was 15 you fucking troll idiot.

In that case try this: Wrap yourself in a nice shiny nylon flag and set yourself ablaze.

Oh, and don't forget to will your porn collection to your parents and your kids.;)

For your convenience: http://www.united-states-flag.com/us58nc.html

[Firecat]

That picture he posts is his favorite jerk-off material. He wishes he could do that himself, but since he's such pimple-faced needle dick he can only dream.

Everybody needs to aspire to something.

:add09:

Meanwhile....

December 15, 2005 UPDATE

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2154.

595 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[wanderer1]

The pig is making out his will at the moment, as I am certain he aspires to the day when his flea infested brats and/or grand-brats will takes his porn collection to school on show and tell day.

[Firecat]

I have often wondered if pricks like that just wake up some day and decide that they're going to be a prick for the rest of their life or if it happens gradually.

Would you want to have a beer with PF? I sure wouldn't.

[wanderer1]

I have often wondered if pricks like that just wake up some day and decide that they're going to be a prick for the rest of their life or if it happens gradually.

Would you want to have a beer with PF? I sure wouldn't.

Hell no, I don't even rent to lowbrow scum much less socialize with them!:add09:

[Firecat]

I'm sure there's a tragic story behind Pig Fucking Bin Laden.

He was so unpopular as a young boy that the only way he could get into the hockey game was to volunteer to be the puck. He was so unpopular that his mom had to tie a pork chop around his neck just to get the dog to play with him. His family was so poor that they couldn't afford a Thanksgiving dinner... they just ripped pictures of turkeys out of the grocery ads in papers they found in dumpsters and ate the pictures.

Then puberty struck....

[Firecat]

December 18, 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2155.

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[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

December 18, 2005



I am not spamming you. I am doing the exact same thing you are fucking doing cunt when you wave the heads of dead American troops in the air thinking it is helping you in your fucking obbsessive anti-Bush agenda. I am posting the same fucking disgusting shit day after day in this thread, just like you do. SO FUCK UP PRICK THERE IS NOT A FUCKING THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING EXTREME FUCKING RABID LEFTWING COCKSUCKER!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE A TRAITORIST FUCKING CUNTSWAB. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY YOU YELLOW BELLIED FUCKING COWARD PUKE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT COMPLAIN.

YOU FUCKING PUKE.





(I do not give a rats ass what people think of me posting this pic at this point. This prick seriously needs to go fuck himself and I am going to remind the cocksucker every fucking post he makes in this disgusting thread. If you don't like it, write your congressman or put me on ignore.)

[Firecat]

December 19, 2005

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[Firecat]

December 21, 2005

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[Voice of Reason]

591 left to reach Firecat's happy dance.

Firecat wishes those 'freedom-fighting' 'insurgents' would hurry up and kill Americans faster.

[Firecat]

Whatever.

Liar.

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

Whatever.

Liar.

FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING BELIGERANT FUCKING CUNTSUCKING RABID LEFTWING COCKSUCKER!!
YOU FUCKING DRULE EVERY FUCKING TIME A TROOP DIES BECAUSE YOU "THINK" IT IS HELPING YOU WITH THE ONLY REASON YOU FUCKING POST ON THESE BOARDS: TO "ATTEMPT" TO SLAM BUSH. WHO THE FUCKING HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO KID ASSHOLE.
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yoU THINK i AM SPAMING YOU............

I am not spamming you. I am doing the exact same thing you are fucking doing cunt when you wave the heads of dead American troops in the air thinking it is helping you in your fucking obbsessive anti-Bush agenda. I am posting the same fucking disgusting shit day after day in this thread, just like you do. SO FUCK UP PRICK THERE IS NOT A FUCKING THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING EXTREME FUCKING RABID LEFTWING COCKSUCKER!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE A TRAITORIST FUCKING CUNTSWAB. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY YOU YELLOW BELLIED FUCKING COWARD PUKE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT COMPLAIN.

YOU FUCKING PUKE.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/pfbI/bush.jpg



(I do not give a rats ass what people think of me posting these pics at this point. This prick seriously needs to go fuck himself and I am going to remind the cocksucker in every fucking post he makes in this disgusting thread. If you don't like it, write your congressman or put me on ignore.)

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

I guess someone "wrote thier congressman" :(

[Voice of Reason]

Poor Firecat. In Firecat's world, a day without a US death in Iraq is like a day without sunshine.

So here's a bump for your ghoul thread, you rat bastard piece of shit traitor.

[PIGFUCKBINLADEN]

Visual reptesantation of me, or anybody for that matter, showing firecunt as the fucking cunt fucking rabid leftwing idiot that he really is:

http://www.gofish.com/cnvVideoPlayer.html?gfid=17-14568


(I dont give a fuck if this came from fox, this fucking cunt and firecunt are both fucking wastes of air and do not deserve the freedoms they have only because of the US Military.)

Fuck you firecunt. This fucking idiot cunt is a fucking mirror image of you , you fucking prick.



yoU THINK i AM SPAMING YOU............

I am not spamming you. I am doing the exact same thing you are fucking doing cunt when you wave the heads of dead American troops in the air thinking it is helping you in your fucking obbsessive anti-Bush agenda. I am posting the same fucking disgusting shit day after day in this thread, just like you do. SO FUCK UP PRICK THERE IS NOT A FUCKING THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING EXTREME FUCKING RABID LEFTWING COCKSUCKER!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE A TRAITORIST FUCKING CUNTSWAB. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY YOU YELLOW BELLIED FUCKING COWARD PUKE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT COMPLAIN.

YOU FUCKING PUKE.







(I do not give a rats ass what people think of me posting this pic at this point. This prick seriously needs to go fuck himself and I am going to remind the cocksucker in every fucking post he makes in this disgusting thread. If you don't like it, write your congressman or put me on ignore.)

[Firecat]

December 24, 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2163.

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[Firecat]

December 26, 2005

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[Hobbes]

These men and women didn't die for you, they died for each other. You don't rate to crow about their demise. If you truly care about the service men and women here, I respectfully ask that you petition CBaby for deletion. It's time for this thread to go.

[White Trash Superstar]

Firecat, which one of these little shits is you in these pictures? You the one waving the peace sign?

I think that picture personifies most of the people who use the deaths of our servicemen and servicewomen like you do.

[born2kill]

These men and women didn't die for you, they died for each other. You don't rate to crow about their demise. If you truly care about the service men and women here, I respectfully ask that you petition CBaby for deletion. It's time for this thread to go.


Hmmmmmm. I distinctly remember reading here about a civics teacher bemoaning his friend losing a leg in combat during this war and me imploring to that civics teacher to honor the veteran by not second guessing his decision to serve.

I'm curious Hobbes, have your opinions about this war changed since you've deployed?

[White Trash Superstar]

These men and women didn't die for you, they died for each other. You hit the nail on the head there! I haven't been in long, nor have I seen combat, but one thing I have learned is it's definitely about your brothers and sisters.

[Firecat]

These men and women didn't die for you, they died for each other. You don't rate to crow about their demise. If you truly care about the service men and women here, I respectfully ask that you petition CBaby for deletion. It's time for this thread to go.

Well, well, well.

You're finally starting to see the light, Hobbes. These people didn't die for me. But you're dead wrong when you say they died for each other. They died because of the fucking dirty lies of your president.

And you're also DEAD WRONG when you say that I'm "crowing" about it. If it were up to me none of these people would be dead. So why would you post I'm "crowing" about it? It's because in your tiny little mind you cannot grasp the simplest concepts of peace so you have to post personal attacks against those of us who do.

It doesn't matter to me what you post about me or the rest of us who now hold the majority opinion on this illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war.

[Firecat]

PS... are troops coming home as it was announced before Christmas or are they staying as it was announced today?

You don't know.

[Firecat]

December 27, 2005

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2172.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/casualties/facesofthefallen.htm
http://icasualties.org/oif/Details.aspx

[Hobbes]

Hmmmmmm. I distinctly remember reading here about a civics teacher bemoaning his friend losing a leg in combat during this war and me imploring to that civics teacher to honor the veteran by not second guessing his decision to serve.

I'm curious Hobbes, have your opinions about this war changed since you've deployed?

No. his place is not worth the losses we've suffered nor the money we've spent.

But FC has no right to speak for these dead. She does not know or understand them.

The thread implies that their goal in life was simply to live; a hedonistic admonition totally alien to the military way of life.

Their goal was to live honorably and serve their fellow citizens, which they did.

[Hobbes]

Well, well, well.

You're finally starting to see the light, Hobbes. These people didn't die for me. But you're dead wrong when you say they died for each other. They died because of the fucking dirty lies of your president.

And you're also DEAD WRONG when you say that I'm "crowing" about it. If it were up to me none of these people would be dead. So why would you post I'm "crowing" about it? It's because in your tiny little mind you cannot grasp the simplest concepts of peace so you have to post personal attacks against those of us who do.

It doesn't matter to me what you post about me or the rest of us who now hold the majority opinion on this illegal, immoral, and unnecessary war.

So, their deaths would have been more meanigful had they stayed home and, say, become one of the 150,000 people who died in automobile accidents during the course of this conflict?

You measure the value of a life by the circumstances of one's death. That's horse crap. These people lived lives of selfless service, and you belittle their actions by referring to them as merely numbers... as if they came up short in some kind of survival lottery over here. You don't understand them in the least. I do.

[Firecat]

and you belittle their actions by referring to them as merely numbers...

And you've turned into a tape recording of PFBL.

The persons who DEVALUES and BELITTLES those lives are the PEOPLE WHO SET THEM UP TO BE KILLED.

If you cannot understand that, then why should I give a flying fuck through a rolling donut what you think?

Fact is, I really don't care. If you want to believe that I'm BELITTLING these lost and shattered lives by KEEPING THEM IN THE SPOTLIGHT, then do so. But you're wrong, and I think you actually know you're wrong.

[zapcomix]

No. his place is not worth the losses we've suffered nor the money we've spent.

But FC has no right to speak for these dead. She does not know or understand them.

The thread implies that their goal in life was simply to live; a hedonistic admonition totally alien to the military way of life.

Their goal was to live honorably and serve their fellow citizens, which they did.
You don't think taking Iraq was a strategic move to prevent the ME from solidifying? To keep the "radicals" from forming a world training base for terrorists? If Lebanon, Syria, Irag and Iran aligned with each other, we would be in deep shit, no?

[born2kill]

No. his place is not worth the losses we've suffered nor the money we've spent.

But FC has no right to speak for these dead. She does not know or understand them.

The thread implies that their goal in life was simply to live; a hedonistic admonition totally alien to the military way of life.

Their goal was to live honorably and serve their fellow citizens, which they did.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Hobbes again.

[wanderer1]

You don't think taking Iraq was a strategic move to prevent the ME from solidifying? To keep the "radicals" from forming a world training base for terrorists? If Lebanon, Syria, Irag and Iran aligned with each other, we would be in deep shit, no?

How many times do you have to be reminded that Saddam was secular and wanted nothing to do with religious extremists?

[Hobbes]

And you've turned into a tape recording of PFBL.

The persons who DEVALUES and BELITTLES those lives are the PEOPLE WHO SET THEM UP TO BE KILLED.

If you cannot understand that, then why should I give a flying fuck through a rolling donut what you think?

Fact is, I really don't care. If you want to believe that I'm BELITTLING these lost and shattered lives by KEEPING THEM IN THE SPOTLIGHT, then do so. But you're wrong, and I think you actually know you're wrong.

If you respect the efforts of service men/women to do the jobs they were sent here to do, then you should keep them in the spotlight. The few who die each represent a small victory for the enemy.

You do understand the difference between the value of something and the cost, don't you?

[Hobbes]

You don't think taking Iraq was a strategic move to prevent the ME from solidifying? To keep the "radicals" from forming a world training base for terrorists? If Lebanon, Syria, Irag and Iran aligned with each other, we would be in deep shit, no?

Militant Islam is spread from Africa to the Philippines. Prior to our invasion this did not include Iraq. While the premise of denying them sanctuary is valid, we might well have continued from Afghanistan to other known sancuaries. You will earn a big fat kudos from me if you can identify the valley where more radical Islamists are trained, and more terror attacks occur than anywhere else in the world. You haven't even heard of it in the MSM, and no... we can't influence it at all from here.

[FC-UK]

Militant Islam is spread from Africa to the Philippines. Prior to our invasion this did not include Iraq. While the premise of denying them sanctuary is valid, we might well have continued from Afghanistan to other known sancuaries. You will earn a big fat kudos from me if you can identify the valley where more radical Islamists are trained, and more terror attacks occur than anywhere else in the world. You haven't even heard of it in the MSM, and no... we can't influence it at all from here.

what's this fucking bullshit about "militant islam"
It you you mother fuckers who have been mass murdering past 3 odd years, 200,000 murdered by you cowardl cunts past three odd years.The only TERRORIST attacks that have been going on killing 10's and thousands is by you cowardly cunts.

fuck you and the horse you rode in on you cowardly cunt.


Prove me wrong dickweed. the numbers murdered by you bastards speak for themselves.

[Firecat]

You do understand the difference between the value of something and the cost, don't you?

Of course I do. Which is why I have opposed this war and all before it as having NO value. War doesn't stop war, it only sets the stage for the next one. Every time there's a war you hear the politicos bleating that we need this war to achieve peace. But it DOESN'T achieve peace. If it did, we wouldn't have to keep fighting WARS.

So if you accept that the war has no VALUE, then you must accept that the COST of war is OUTRAGEOUS. The costs of this war have been 2175 American dead, 10s of thousands of Iraqi dead, 100s of thousands of maimed, half a trillion dollars, and the goodwill of the world towards America.

Now you can have your opinion about how to measure cost versus value, but I'm TELLING you that it's NOT WORTH IT. And no lying, sack of shit president can fool me into thinking that it is. This war has been a bust, and every single rationale that the neocon institutional terrorists have presented has been shot down in flames.

[Bag Sniper]

what's this fucking bullshit about "militant islam"
It you you mother fuckers who have been mass murdering past 3 odd years, 200,000 murdered by you cowardl cunts past three odd years.The only TERRORIST attacks that have been going on killing 10's and thousands is by you cowardly cunts.

fuck you and the horse you rode in on you cowardly cunt.
Prove me wrong dickweed. the numbers murdered by you bastards speak for themselves.

Go fcuk yourself you islamic cunt .... and the whorse you rode in on ....

Islam ... 2.5 billion and counting ...... down ....

[Firecat]

December 30, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2177.

572 left to reach DOUBLE FOR NOTHING.

[Bag Sniper]

December 30, 2005

Dead moosies .... 140,214 and counting up .... :add09:

[Hobbes]

Of course I do. Which is why I have opposed this war and all before it as having NO value. War doesn't stop war, it only sets the stage for the next one. Every time there's a war you hear the politicos bleating that we need this war to achieve peace. But it DOESN'T achieve peace. If it did, we wouldn't have to keep fighting WARS.

Wars aren't fought to achieve peace; they're fought to settle disputes. War settles issues with finality. That doesn't prevent new issues from coming along.

This war will decide whether we will or won't allow the Middle East to fall to the rule of radical Islam. Whether you think it's our place to decide that is irrelevant. Whether you think we can win is irrelevant. We've set upon this course, for better or worse, and we're in it until it plays out.


So if you accept that the war has no VALUE, then you must accept that the COST of war is OUTRAGEOUS. The costs of this war have been 2175 American dead, 10s of thousands of Iraqi dead, 100s of thousands of maimed, half a trillion dollars, and the goodwill of the world towards America.

We agree on this point. Even if we win now it will be a Pyrrhic victory. Look it up.


Now you can have your opinion about how to measure cost versus value, but I'm TELLING you that it's NOT WORTH IT. And no lying, sack of shit president can fool me into thinking that it is. This war has been a bust, and every single rationale that the neocon institutional terrorists have presented has been shot down in flames.

Yep. And yet we still have to win it. As my drill instructor used to say, "you don't have to like it, you just have to do it.

[Firecat]

January 2, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2180.

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Wars aren't fought to achieve peace; they're fought to settle disputes. War settles issues with finality. That doesn't prevent new issues from coming along.

Name ONE war that hasn't been a causal factor in one or more additional wars.

[Firecat]

January 3, 2005.

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[Catwoman]

January 3, 2005.


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Give it a rest. If you are trying a repeat of Vietnam, nothing even close,

If you are trying to replicate a moral victory ala Vietnam, you are not even close to it. Fight on, unless you like your kids speaking Arabic and practising Islam under the sword. This may be a hundred year war.

[wanderer1]

This war will decide whether we will or won't allow the Middle East to fall to the rule of radical Islam...

Now here's novel rationale for the alcoholic's hair-brained war. It would seem as though attacking a secular country that wanted nothing to do with radical Islamists would be counter productive... but then again junior and company have a new spin on why they invaded Iraq every other week.

[Bman]

Wars aren't fought to achieve peace; they're fought to settle disputes. War settles issues with finality. That doesn't prevent new issues from coming along.

This war will decide whether we will or won't allow the Middle East to fall to the rule of radical Islam. Whether you think it's our place to decide that is irrelevant. Whether you think we can win is irrelevant. We've set upon this course, for better or worse, and we're in it until it plays out.


.


Seems to me Iraq is CLOSER to rule under radical Islam than it ever was under Saddam.

Saddam never laid a wreath on the grave of the Ayatollah Khomeini, nor did he sign pacts of cooperation with Iran, the most radical of all the Middle East theocracies.

Jaafari, on the other hand, has.

[Firecat]

If you are trying a repeat of Vietnam, nothing even close,

What? Who's trying a "repeat of Vietnam"?

I wasn't aware that I commanded any troops. Please let me know what troops I command so I can bring them home immediately.

As far as my "kids speaking Arabic and practising Islam under the sword", can I have some of whatever you're smoking? It seems far more likely that my "kids" would grow up in a totalitarian state as envisioned by George Dubya Bush.

But don't worry... even though you can't see it, there are plenty of us who do and we won't let it happen because we care about your kids.

[Hobbes]

January 2, 2005.

GI DEATH TOLL HITS 2180.

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Name ONE war that hasn't been a causal factor in one or more additional wars.

The war of Jenkin's ear. Look it up.

[Hobbes]

Seems to me Iraq is CLOSER to rule under radical Islam than it ever was under Saddam.

Saddam never laid a wreath on the grave of the Ayatollah Khomeini, nor did he sign pacts of cooperation with Iran, the most radical of all the Middle East theocracies.

Jaafari, on the other hand, has.

I said all along it wasn't winnable. That was always more of a concern to me than the "rightness" of it. I think now that we may possibly have pulled it off. There's been only one other example in history of the defeat of an insurgency that had a safe haven from which to operate. This may turn out to be the second.

Treading a close line here, but I'll tell you that Al Qa'ida in Iraq is all but dead. Zarqawi is either hiding in Baghdad, or has fled the country. Either way, he's not running the organization here any more. Local insurgent groups are out from under his sway, and some are rethinking their positions. Attacks are already down, and effective attacks are way down. This thing may be closer to over than most thought...

[Bman]

I said all along it wasn't winnable. That was always more of a concern to me than the "rightness" of it. I think now that we may possibly have pulled it off. There's been only one other example in history of the defeat of an insurgency that had a safe haven from which to operate. This may turn out to be the second.

Treading a close line here, but I'll tell you that Al Qa'ida in Iraq is all but dead. Zarqawi is either hiding in Baghdad, or has fled the country. Either way, he's not running the organization here any more. Local insurgent groups are out from under his sway, and some are rethinking their positions. Attacks are already down, and effective attacks are way down. This thing may be closer to over than most thought...



But in your prior post you just said this war wasn't about bringing "peace". Here's the quote:

"Wars aren't fought to achieve peace; they're fought to settle disputes. War settles issues with finality. That doesn't prevent new issues from coming along.

This war will decide whether we will or won't allow the Middle East to fall to the rule of radical Islam


So, while Zarqawi may be powerless (if he ever existed to begin with), and insurgent attacks may be down, is it NOT TRUE that Iraq is now more fully controlled by Islamic radicals than it ever was when Saddam and the Baathists were in power????

[Hobbes]

But in your prior post you just said this war wasn't about bringing "peace". Here's the quote:

"Wars aren't fought to achieve peace; they're fought to settle disputes. War settles issues with finality. That doesn't prevent new issues from coming along.

This war will decide whether we will or won't allow the Middle East to fall to the rule of radical Islam


So, while Zarqawi may be powerless (if he ever existed to begin with), and insurgent attacks may be down, is it NOT TRUE that Iraq is now more fully controlled by Islamic radicals than it ever was when Saddam and the Baathists were in power????

Right now it's controlled by us. AQ has been largely driven out. When we leave, the elected government and the Iraqi Army will probably duke it out with nationalist insurgents and former regime holdouts for power. Without the support and funding of AQ, I don't think what's left of the insurgency will stand much chance of success, even against these guys.

[Bman]

Right now it's controlled by us. AQ has been largely driven out. When we leave, the elected government and the Iraqi Army will probably duke it out with nationalist insurgents and former regime holdouts for power. Without the support and funding of AQ, I don't think what's left of the insurgency will stand much chance of success, even against these guys.


When I'm speaking of "islamic radicals" coming to power in Iraq, I'm talking about Mugtada al Sadr, the Badr Brigades, Jabr, and those folks

These folks were nothing when Saddam was in power.. now they are powerful figures in the government.

Is it not true that the islamic "radicals" have more power today in Iraq, than they ever did under Saddam?

Do you or do you not agree?

[Hobbes]

But in your prior post you just said this war wasn't about bringing "peace". Here's the quote:

"Wars aren't fought to achieve peace; they're fought to settle disputes. War settles issues with finality. That doesn't prevent new issues from coming along.

This war will decide whether we will or won't allow the Middle East to fall to the rule of radical Islam


So, while Zarqawi may be powerless (if he ever existed to begin with), and insurgent attacks may be down, is it NOT TRUE that Iraq is now more fully controlled by Islamic radicals than it ever was when Saddam and the Baathists were in power????

Right now it's controlled by us. AQ has been largely driven out. When we leave, the elected government and the Iraqi Army will probably duke it out with nationalist insurgents and former regime holdouts for power. Without the support and funding of AQ, I don't think what's left of the insurgency will stand much chance of success, even against these guys.

[Hobbes]

When I'm speaking of "islamic radicals" coming to power in Iraq, I'm talking about Mugtada al Sadr, the Badr Brigades, Jabr, and those folks

These folks were nothing when Saddam was in power.. now they are powerful figures in the government.

Is it not true that the islamic "radicals" have more power today in Iraq, than they ever did under Saddam?

Do you or do you not agree?

I wasn't considering them as part of that group. I don't think they have any designs on a wider Islamic caliphate. They'll probably become a real PITA to us, but at the very least I think we've "succeeded" to the extent that there is little or no chance of Iraq becoming a terrorist breeding ground.