Not all Iraqis meet the US military with bombs, some meet them with a home-made hot m

[Strike4ce]

Not all Iraqis meet the US military with bombs, some meet them with a home-made hot meal.


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Updated: 10:05 AM EDT
Marines and Iraqi Forces Repel Insurgent Attacks

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, AP



BAGHDAD, Iraq (Aug. 6) - U.S. and Iraqi troops repelled a series of coordinated insurgent attacks in southern Baghdad, killing six rebels and capturing 12, the U.S. military said Saturday. There were no U.S. casualties.







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Marines eat a meal given to them by an Iraqi family during a lull in fighting Friday in Parwana, near Haditha, Iraq.













The fighting began about 8 p.m. Friday when insurgents attacked an Iraqi army position with mortar rounds and small-arms fire, the command said. U.S. attack helicopters engaged the insurgents with rockets and gunfire.

At nearly the same time, a suicide attacker drove a truck loaded with explosives into a nearby Iraqi army checkpoint, killing an Iraqi soldier.

A suicide car bomber tried to attack another Iraqi position in the area, but a U.S. tank fired and hit the car, killing the driver and causing the car bomb to explode prematurely, the U.S. command said. Iraqi police said three bystanders were wounded.

Minutes later, insurgents at a fourth location fired two rocket-propelled grenades and a mortar round at another Iraqi army post in south Baghdad. None of the rounds caused any damage, the U.S. statement said.

Over the next two hours, insurgents tried to regroup for further attacks on the two Iraqi army posts but were driven off by U.S. and Iraqi fire, the statement added.

"The enemy came to fight us with no success," said Maj. Listen Edge of Kennesaw, Ga., an operations officer with the 48th Brigade Combat Team.

Separately, the U.S. command said an American soldier assigned to a unit in Mosul was killed in action Thursday "during a terrorist attack" there. No further details were given.

At least 1,827 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

In the political arena, Sunni Arab members of the committee drafting Iraq's new constitution rejected Kurdish demands for a federal state Saturday, saying such a change should not be implemented during foreign military occupation and an unstable security situation.

The proposal to put off consideration of federalism came a day before Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish political leaders were scheduled to meet to try to thrash out differences on that and other sensitive issues, including Iraq's identity, the role of Islam and the distribution of wealth.

The committee is rushing to complete the draft to meet an Aug. 15 deadline for parliamentary approval.

Sunni members of the constitutional committee believe federalism should be discussed in the future when there is a parliament that represents all Iraqis, member Kamal Hamdan said, referring to the current National Assembly that has only 17 Sunni Arabs among its 275 legislators.

"The proposal rejects federalism at the present time because it is difficult to implement it when the country is occupied and the security situation is unstable," Hamdan said.

Most Kurds and some Shiites are for a federal system, but Sunni Arabs have opposed the idea, fearing it could lead to the breakup of Iraq. On Thursday, Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani said "the Kurdish people have the right to secede."

Saturday's proposal by Sunni Arabs seemed to arise from their fear that the predominantly Kurdish and Shiite parliament would approve federalism easily.

Sunni Arabs, many of whom boycotted the Jan. 30 election following calls by some of their leaders and threats by insurgents, are expected to participate in bigger numbers in the mid-October constitutional referendum and December's parliamentary elections.

In a statement Saturday, al-Qaida in Iraq warned Sunni Arabs that voting in the Oct. 15 referendum was tantamount to rejecting Islam. The group has claimed responsibility for many deadly attacks, including suicide car bombings and kidnappings. It is led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Sunni from Jordan who has vowed to attack Iraq's majority Shiite Muslim population in a bid to start a civil war.

Humam Hammoudi, chairman of the 71-member constitution panel, said the Sunni proposal suggests that pending a final decision on federalism, decentralized administrations be set up for each province that would work closely with the central government in Baghdad.

He added that the northern Kurdish provinces of Irbil, Sulaimaniyah and Dahuk would continue running their affairs as they have since 1991, when they established an autonomous region.

In an Internet posting Saturday, al-Qaida's wing in Iraq warned Sunni Arabs that supporting the constitution was no less than abandoning Islam and that "voting for the constitution is tantamount to raising the flag of the crusaders on the land."

"Drafting the constitution means believing that the religion of Islam is incomplete," the statement said. "Those who call on you to participate in the constitution vote have not accepted Islam as a religion."

The statement's authenticity could not be verified.

In other violence Saturday:

A suicide car bomber detonated his vehicle at a police checkpoint north of Hillah, in Babil province south of the capital, killing two policemen and wounding two others, provincial police reported.

A roadside bomb exploded near a British military convoy near the southern city of Basra, wounding one British soldier, British and Iraqi authorities said.



08/06/05 09:41 EDT

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[Voice of Reason]

Holy Cow! The editors at AP must have been asleep. They aren't supposed to let any of this stuff get out!

[Strike4ce]

Holy Cow! The editors at AP must have been asleep. They aren't supposed to let any of this stuff get out!


Green: I approve

[aj1]

good to see the other side of the story getting some air time...

[TrustButVerify]

LOL you fools are that bad at reading body language? Those people are tense as fuck :add09:

They made that meal for the soldiers becasue they were afaid of getting shot...so they thought it would help them get on the soldiers good side.

[Ponder]

good to see the other side of the story getting some air time...

My newspaper doesn't run photos that show the other side, does anybody else's?

[Jake]

Not the Denver Post. Sometimes the Rocky Mountain News does.

[Strike4ce]

My newspaper doesn't run photos that show the other side, does anybody else's?

Nope.

[Strike4ce]

LOL you fools are that bad at reading body language? Those people are tense as fuck :add09:

They made that meal for the soldiers becasue they were afaid of getting shot...so they thought it would help them get on the soldiers good side.

You beat them to the punch. Good Job.:add09:

[Ono]

Just the NY Post on occasion.

[Strike4ce]

Im just waiting for the assault. KR will be here soon, and a Copy & Paste session like this board has never seen will commence.

Positive news will not be allowed here. It must be drowned, in despair and anti-Bush.:add09:

[Stealth]

Not trying to be mean or critical but it doesn't seem like there is any warmth or joy in that act of hosting.

I am sure there are many Iraqis who are very welcoming to the troops and treat them as guests because arabs by nature are like that but the pic posted below is a terrible example of hospitality.

lol

[Strike4ce]

Not trying to be mean or critical but it doesn't seem like there is any warmth or joy in that act of hosting.

I am sure there are many Iraqis who are very welcoming to the troops and treat them as guests because arabs by nature are like that but the pic posted below is a terrible example of hospitality.

lol

It didnt take long. Build it and they(The negative crowd)will come.:add09:

[Stealth]

It didnt take long. Build it and they(The negative crowd)will come.:add09:
I gave my honest opinion whether someone likes it or not. I am not against acts of kindness and compassion but it also doesn't mean that if someone tries to paint a rosy picture of a scenario which ain't actually rosy, I ain't gonna just go with the flow and sing its praises.

[Ponder]

Not trying to be mean or critical but it doesn't seem like there is any warmth or joy in that act of hosting.

I am sure there are many Iraqis who are very welcoming to the troops and treat them as guests because arabs by nature are like that but the pic posted below is a terrible example of hospitality.

lol

They don't force local people to feed them. I imagine if I was living in an insurgent area, I'd be joyless too.

[set-it-straight]

Universal Translator on: "feed us bitch before we go Abu Ghraib on you"

Universal Translator off

[Stealth]

They don't force local people to feed them. I imagine if I was living in an insurgent area, I'd be joyless too.
I didn't say they were forced. But they might have been nervous and scared of troops in their house.

Or do you think that's impossible because Bush said Iraqis love Americans?

[Lone Star]

What?
The americans didnt rape her in front of her whole family after the meal?
Seems the story is incomplete by some standards... :add09:

[Stealth]

What?
The americans didnt rape her in front of her whole family after the meal?
Seems the story is incomplete by some standards... :add09:
Someone seems to be rather fond of getting raped. :sex_01:

:add09:

[Ponder]

I didn't say they were forced. But they might have been nervous and scared of troops in their house.

Or do you think that's impossible because Bush said Iraqis love Americans?

Well, we know what those so called "insurgents" do to "collaborators", don't we.

[Strike4ce]

I didn't say they were forced. But they might have been nervous and scared of troops in their house.

Or do you think that's impossible because Bush said Iraqis love Americans?

They might? What if they invited them in? That "MIGHT" have been the case as well.

[PROGENY]

It would be a more pleasant picture if the Marines were replaced with Iraqi troops being served a meal by an Iraqi family; not just replaced in the picture, but throughout the whole nation...

[Stealth]

Well, we know what those so called "insurgents" do to "collaborators", don't we.
You are speaking as if you live there and know the local atmosphere.

A local might be more terrified of foreign army troops than of local insurgents.

If your country is invaded by Chinese troops who are fighting local hick militias trying to impose an authoritarian government, I can bet 99 out of 100 times you will relate to local countrymen much easily than to a foreign chink.

[Lone Star]

Someone seems to be rather fond of getting raped. :sex_01:

:add09:
Actually THAT wasnt addressed at you but if you feel the need for a "frequent Freaudian slip" by all means feel free!
My point was that nothing GOOD could possibly ever come from the US Soldiers presence if you believe some people and their agenda.

She seems to already be impregnated if you ask me? Not to mention ugly to boot, so no soldier I ever knew would even consider it...
Troll away... :happy_01:

p.s. Are you going to post more pictures of you sucking Lotimer off again or was that someone else????

[Stealth]

They might? What if they invited them in? That "MIGHT" have been the case as well.
Yes, I agree. That is a possibility.

But the body language and the atmosphere portrayed in that picture leans towards my theory. It's just a theory, I don't know if that picture is an accurate reflection of the actual event. My point was that the picture wasn't reflective of what was claimed had occurred.

That's all.

[Strike4ce]

You are speaking as if you live there and know the local atmosphere.

A local might be more terrified of foreign army troops than of local insurgents.

If your country is invaded by Chinese troops who are fighting local hick militias trying to impose an authoritarian government, I can bet 99 out of 100 times you will relate to local countrymen much easily than to a foreign chink.

That all depends. If the local miltia hicks are terrorizing their own people things might change.

Insurgents running around killing women, and children, I would say arent exactly welcomed house guests.

[malum]

I'd think that these gestures of 'hospitality' are more motivated by a desired attempt at establishing some 'neutrality' with the coalition troops rather than an offering of gratitude of any kind; by allowing soldiers to step inside and have a bite to eat offers them a chance to have a quick look around, see that there may be nothing of concern there, and move on. The alternative might be having their door kicked down and their family tied up while their home is searched.
The more 'friendly' approach is a way to alleviate some of that tension, which many of the 'locals' would choose over the alternative.

that's just been my experience anyway...

[Stealth]

Actually THAT wasnt addressed at you but if you feel the need for a "frequent Freaudian slip" by all means feel free!
My point was that nothing GOOD could possibly ever come from the US Soldiers presence if you believe some people and their agenda.

She seems to already be impregnated if you ask me? Not to mention ugly to boot, so no soldier I ever knew would even consider it...
Troll away... :happy_01:

p.s. Are you going to post more pictures of you sucking Lotimer off again or was that someone else????
LOL, must have hurt real bad to offer all that explanation.

Good good. :add23:

[Strike4ce]

Yes, I agree. That is a possibility.

But the body language and the atmosphere portrayed in that picture leans towards my theory. It's just a theory, I don't know if that picture is an accurate reflection of the actual event. My point was that the picture wasn't reflective of what was claimed had occurred.

That's all.

Oh so what you're saying is you need a slide show or something? I dont see any pained looks on those faces. Hell, one of the Iraqis is sitting on the floor and pretty relaxed.

[Lone Star]

A side note..
They could have put Ex Lax in the soldiers brownies as well?
Just a thought... :mad_08:

[Stealth]

That all depends. If the local miltia hicks are terrorizing their own people things might change.

Insurgents running around killing women, and children, I would say arent exactly welcomed house guests.
Still, it is much difficult to accept a foreign army in your homeland who doesn't speak your native tongue versus local criminals who you can at least communicate with.

[set-it-straight]

Oh so what you're saying is you need a slide show or something? I dont see any pained looks on those faces. Hell, one of the Iraqis is sitting on the floor and pretty relaxed.


They could also be looks of resignation. It was bad under Saddam, not much better under the US. No light at the end of the tunnel. Forced resignation.

[Lone Star]

LOL, must have hurt real bad to offer all that explanation.

Good good. :add23:
Are you going to add something intelligent or just troll?
Im still waiting for that "Intelligent debate" I keep hearing about form your protectors?
Must have stung really bad for you to pounce on my every post now eh troll?
Good Good!
:add09:

[Stealth]

Oh so what you're saying is you need a slide show or something? I dont see any pained looks on those faces. Hell, one of the Iraqis is sitting on the floor and pretty relaxed.
That Iraqi sitting on the floor is a little kid.

Anyway, it's really not worth arguing over. If they welcomed the troops and offered them food, more power to them. Nothing better than that. Caring and compassion for others is a noble thing.

I just wish the picture was more reflective of that feeling.

[Strike4ce]

Still, it is much difficult to accept a foreign army in your homeland who doesn't speak your native tongue versus local criminals who you can at least communicate with.

Yes, local criminals that kill women and children. Sure they would be much more comfortable. Who wouldnt be?

[Strike4ce]

Caring and compassion for others is a noble thing.



I AGREE!:happy_01:

[Strike4ce]

They could also be looks of resignation. It was bad under Saddam, not much better under the US. No light at the end of the tunnel. Forced resignation.

Media sheep. Only believe the negative reports.

Run back to your flock little one.

[Stealth]

Are you going to add something intelligent or just troll?
Im still waiting for that "Intelligent debate" I keep hearing about form your protectors?
Must have stung really bad for you to pounce on my every post now eh troll?
Good Good!
:add09:
You can look around in several threads on the first page of R & R and see for yourself how many serious discussions I participated in versus you. I can challenge you to show me that you participated in more intelligent and sober discussions versus me on R & R in the last three days. If you can't prove it, you will be my official bitch on IH. And if you can prove it, well, it will be the other way around.

Fair enough? Are you man enough to put your money where your cunt is? Or will you chicken out as usual?

Your choice.

P.S. Stepping in the ring with me is not difficult but taking the beating from me is. So if you like to challenge me, be prepared. Prove that you engage in more intelligent debates on this forum versus me by actually showing posts from both you and me in the last 3 days that involved serious, sober dialogue and I will never argue with you. But if you can't, you shouldn't make stupid childish claims again.

Go give it your best shot, kid. Everyone here will be a witness to this challenge.

[Stealth]

Yes, local criminals that kill women and children. Sure they would be much more comfortable. Who wouldnt be?
Will you embrace Chinese troops that come to rescue you and your countrymen from homegrown white malitias and offer them food?

Answer me honestly and sincerely.

[set-it-straight]

Media sheep. Only believe the negative reports.

Run back to your flock little one.


So who is to blame here? The media for reporting this, the soldiers, the Bush administration?

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-guard6aug06,1,6819446.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

I say the Bush administration. It should never, ever have to come to this where soldiers have to assume the role of shake down artists to pay bills back home. Where are the support the troops crowd on this?

[PROGENY]

It's pretty saddening that we all live in a world where we have to really search for 'good' things, then grasp onto and hold it tight; even when it's something so...well, boring as this.

When did we go from the capture of Saddam Hussein and countless military victories to oh, look, the Iraqis are feeding a few Marines? What's next? Wow, an Iraqi boy gave a U.S. soldier a high-five.

Tell me when the Iraqi government and poilice and military forces are fully functioning, have control of the nation, and have support of the Iraqi people, and that U.S. military personnel are withdrawing with relative success in the campaign of Operation Iraqi Freedom; even though some of the original primary objectives were unsuccessful, the secondary objectives were.

Now that's good news.

[Strike4ce]

Will you embrace Chinese troops that come to rescue you and your countrymen from homegrown white malitias and offer them food?

Answer me honestly and sincerely.

I wouldnt consider them countrymen, if they killed their own people. Blowing up large groups of people is terrorism. I think that most iraqis understand the difference. I would offer anyone food that is attempting to rescue my family from this kind of terrorism.

[Lone Star]

You can look around in several threads on the first page of R & R and see for yourself how many serious discussions I participated in versus you. I can challenge you to show me that you participated in more intelligent and sober discussions versus me on R & R in the last three days. If you can't prove it, you will be my official bitch on IH. And if you can prove it, well, it will be the other way around.

Fair enough? Are you man enough to put your money where your cunt is? Or will you chicken out as usual?

Your choice.

P.S. Stepping in the ring with me is not difficult but taking the beating from me is. So if you like to challenge me, be prepared. Prove that you engage in more intelligent debates on this forum versus me by actually showing posts from both you and me in the last 3 days that involved serious, sober dialogue and I will never argue with you. But if you can't, you shouldn't make stupid childish claims again.

Go give it your best shot, kid. Everyone here will be a witness to this challenge.
Hmmm lemme see, I post maybe on a good day 4 or 5 times a day so as far as "total number" of threads I participate in are usually one or two a day.Hdnt posted in the past four days (look it up Tesla) as I was planning a Birthday party and didnt even touch the computer during those days.. I usually AVIOD the pro Muslim, Anti American scumbag threads that you and some of your heroes partake in; see if I actually WAS the troll that many of you think I am I WOULD post in them; trool away; post dick pics and hurl insults while patting myself on the back (sound familar Steath???)
As far as this thread goes, I made an observation and you jumped like a dog on a bone! Its cool, I understand I've damaged your little feeble Muslim machismo and you feeel slighted.Its not my problem but I do understand.
You can go back and re-read every post of mine, yours and the church lady for all I care, I work for a living, have a family and have a ton of better things to do that run around ina little wankfest with "the Man" or SIS or whoever else you'ver teamed up with for the Pro Islamic advertising agency.
So if your done patting yourself on the back and primping like a peacock (ooooh now theres a fair assessment of your prowess eh? Pea-cock? Get it small balls?) Carry on with your propulsion of intelligent debate with this thread that you've so aptly kept on track...as usual....You still make me laugh hirja! :add09:

Personally I think that the picture could have been snapped at a moment when one could misinterpret the whole "body language" thing; like in the middle of a conversation or some awkward moment; like if a few shots had just been fired outside? Its hard to tell if you are not actually IN THE ROOM.

[Ponder]

You are speaking as if you live there and know the local atmosphere.

A local might be more terrified of foreign army troops than of local insurgents.

If your country is invaded by Chinese troops who are fighting local hick militias trying to impose an authoritarian government, I can bet 99 out of 100 times you will relate to local countrymen much easily than to a foreign chink.

The areas that the troops are operating in mostly right now, are reported to have an over abundance of foreign "insurgents". They have proven that they have no respect for the life of Iraqis. So, I can't imagine how you think these people can relate to them. I really think I'd relate more to whatever group wasn't trying to kill me or make my life miserable, whatever they looked like.

Also, I like to call them Chinese, not chinks. :)

[set-it-straight]

The areas that the troops are operating in mostly right now, are reported to have an over abundance of foreign "insurgents". They have proven that they have no respect for the life of Iraqis. So, I can't imagine how you think these people can relate to them. I really think I'd relate more to whatever group wasn't trying to kill me or make my life miserable, whatever they looked like.

Also, I like to call them Chinese, not chinks. :)


You make a good point Ponder. It can be agreed that the FF are not nice guys, but on the same token can the Iraqis caught in the middle say for sure that every US soldier is on their side? It seems that the Iraqis are in between a rock and a hard place.

[stewey]

Stealth's scenario would be more accurate if it were:

China invades US, and Mexicans are flocking to the USA with a goal to convert the country to a strict Christian theocracy, and in doing so, they blow up more innocent Americans than Chinese soldiers.


The insurgents are foreign and they target civilians, so they are not freedom fighters.

[set-it-straight]

Stealth's scenario would be more accurate if it were:

China invades US, and Mexicans are flocking to the USA with a goal to convert the country to a strict Christian theocracy, and in doing so, they blow up more innocent Americans than Chinese soldiers.


The insurgents are foreign and they target civilians, so they are not freedom fighters.

But they weren't foreign initially. Would you say that the Iraqis fighting back within say, the first few days were Freedom Fighters? Where did the line blur between someone repelling an invasion and someone becoming an insurgent.

[Strike4ce]

But they weren't foreign initially. Would you say that the Iraqis fighting back within say, the first few days were Freedom Fighters? Where did the line blur between someone repelling an invasion and someone becoming an insurgent.

No they were'nt freedom fighters because they were under the command of a evil dictator. How can you fight for freedom when you never had it in the first place?

[PROGENY]

No they were'nt freedom fighters because they were under the command of a evil dictator. How can you fight for freedom when you never had it in the first place.:add09:Now that makes some sense, in a totally hopeless way.

Hey, look at it this way, the Iraqis now have the freedom to fight back...

[set-it-straight]

No they were'nt freedom fighters because they were under the command of a evil dictator. How can you fight for freedom when you never had it in the first place.


Now you are parsing words. I am talking about the US invading Iraq. Are you saying that the Iraqis do not have the right to not want to be invaded? They should just take it?

[Strike4ce]

You make a good point Ponder. It can be agreed that the FF are not nice guys, but on the same token can the Iraqis caught in the middle say for sure that every US soldier is on their side? It seems that the Iraqis are in between a rock and a hard place.

Yes. No hard place here. If you support FF's. Then obviously its clear.

[set-it-straight]

Yes. No hard place here. If you support FF's. Then obviously its clear.

My mistake on the defining of a term. I did not mean Freedom Fighter. I meant foreign fighters.

[Strike4ce]

:add09:Now that makes some sense, in a totally hopeless way.

Hey, look at it this way, the Iraqis now have the freedom to fight back...

Yes, they have the freedom to fight back the baathists, and the foreign insurgents. With the aid of the USA they also ave the power. It makes perfect sense.

[Strike4ce]

Now you are parsing words. I am talking about the US invading Iraq. Are you saying that the Iraqis do not have the right to not want to be invaded? They should just take it?

You mean the baathists? The baath party had alot more to lose then regular iraqi citizens did. Lets be honest here the insurgency consists of Baath party members, Sunnis upset because they're no longer able to control shiites, and foreign fighters.

The only thing normal iraqi citizens lost was being tortured, killed, or forced into sexual favors for Uday.

Now Iraqi citizens can vote, protest. They have more rights now then they ever did under Saddam.

[set-it-straight]

Yes, they have the freedom to fight back the baathists, and the foreign insurgents. With the aid of the USA they also ave the power. It makes perfect sense.


So that I get this. You are saying, people that the US invades does not have the right to fight this invasion. Is this correct?

[set-it-straight]

You mean the baathists? The baath party had alot more to lose then regular iraqi citizens did. Lets be honest here the insurgency consists of Baath party members, Sunnis upset because they're no longer able to control shiites, and foreign fighters.

The only thing normal iraqi citizens lost was being tortured, killed, or forced into sexual favors for Uday.

Now Iraqi citizens can vote, protest. They have more rights now then they ever did under Saddam.

Tap dance once again. You just do not want to say no. Your mindset is that no matter who the US invades, they just have to accept the invasion and if not, the immediately become insurgents, and the term freedom fighter does not apply.

Do they have the right to tell the US to get out of their country and the right to install a strict Islam state? Do they have this right as well?

[Catwoman]

Tap dance once again. You just do not want to say no. Your mindset is that no matter who the US invades, they just have to accept the invasion and if not, the immediately become insurgents, and the term freedom fighter does not apply.

Do they have the right to tell the US to get out of their country and the right to install a strict Islam state? Do they have this right as well?
Maybe if you used the term insurgents or resistance fighters, it would be easier to swallow. Better yet describe former Baathist resistance as dictatorship fighters, cause there was no freedom in Iraq, especially if you were a a shite.

Al Zarqawi's crew is only there to incite civil war between the Sunni's and Shites.

[Strike4ce]

So that I get this. You are saying, people that the US invades does not have the right to fight this invasion. Is this correct?

Only a small number compared to population are engaging in the insurgency. Not everyone citizen in Iraq considers the US invaders. Maybe the majority want them to leave and are bidding their time and working as part of the police and security forces. Do you agree that the majority of Iraqi ciizens particpating in the newly founded goverment and police and security forces are a larger force than the insurgency?

[set-it-straight]

Maybe if you used the term insurgents or resistance fighters, it would be easier to swallow. Better yet describe former Baathist resistance as dictatorship fighters, cause there was no freedom in Iraq, especially if you were a a shite.

Al Zarqawi's crew is only there to incite civil war between the Sunni's and Shites.

Fair enough but I still can not get a direct answer to my question. For the purposes of clarification I will ask again:

Question: Do the citizens of the countries invaded by the US have the right to try and repel the invasion?

Question: Do the citizens of Iraq have the right to foster closer ties to Iran and to have an Islamic government where the US is asked to leave?

[set-it-straight]

Only a small number compared to population are engaging in the insurgency. Not everyone citizen in Iraq considers the US invaders. Maybe the majority want them to leave and are bidding their time and working as part of the police and security forces. Do you agree that the majority of Iraqi ciizens particpating in the newly founded goverment and police and security forces are a larger force than the insurgency?

You are not answering the question. I asked a direct question. If you are running for office, no problem, I can deal with the double speak, but I asked a basic question about US invasion policies and the people who are on the receiving end of the invasion. Is it too hard for you to answer?

[Strike4ce]

Tap dance once again. You just do not want to say no. Your mindset is that no matter who the US invades, they just have to accept the invasion and if not, the immediately become insurgents, and the term freedom fighter does not apply.

Do they have the right to tell the US to get out of their country and the right to install a strict Islam state? Do they have this right as well?

The new founded goverment of Iraq already has that right, but they choose not to have US forces leave yet. Remember?

[set-it-straight]

Tap dance once again. You just do not want to say no. Your mindset is that no matter who the US invades, they just have to accept the invasion and if not, they immediately become insurgents, and the term freedom fighter does not apply.

You seem to not see this part so I "BOLDED" it for you.

[Strike4ce]

Fair enough but I still can not get a direct answer to my question. For the purposes of clarification I will ask again:

Question: Do the citizens of the countries invaded by the US have the right to try and repel the invasion?

Question: Do the citizens of Iraq have the right to foster closer ties to Iran and to have an Islamic government where the US is asked to leave?

Sure they do, but the majority of Iraqi citizens and the newly elected goverment choose not to repel the US forces, especially when US forces are there to support the Iraqi people and protect them and the new government.

Iraq is in control of their own country. The people voted for these officials. If the US leaves upon request and Iraq chooses to have ties with Iran then so be it.

[set-it-straight]

Sure they do, but the majority of Iraqi citizens and the newly elected goverment choose not to repel the US forces, especially when US forces are there to support the Iraqi people and protect them and the new government.

Iraq is in control of their own country. The people voted for these officials. If the US leaves upon request and Iraq chooses to have ties with Iran then so be it.


So you say that citizens have the right to resist US invasions. Okay, so when did they cross the bridge from freedom/resistance fighters to insurgents?

If they have the right to an Islamic government, why did Rumsfeld say that this is not going to happen and that the US will not support this? More freedom on the march, this time with jackboots.

[Strike4ce]

Tap dance once again. You just do not want to say no. Your mindset is that no matter who the US invades, they just have to accept the invasion and if not, they immediately become insurgents, and the term freedom fighter does not apply.

You seem to not see this part so I "BOLDED" it for you.

Damn, do you not pay attention. Is the newly elected goverment asking US Forces to leave? An evil dictator was taken out and a new goverment was formed and officials were elected into office by Iraqi citizens. A constitution is being enacted. It is not an invasion. More like a liberation. Iraq is not under the control of an evil dictator and the baath party/ruling sunnis anymore.
Are you saying that all of those people that voted for the new goverment dont have any rights because a small part of the population is engaging in a insurgency? It seems that the majority of Iraqi citizens support the new goverment.

[set-it-straight]

Damn, do you not pay attention. Is the newly elected goverment asking US Forces to leave? An evil dictator was taken out and a new goverment was formed and officials were elected into office by Iraqi citizens. A constitution is being enacted. It is not an invasion. More like a liberation. Iraq is not under the control of an evil dictator and the baath party/ruling sunnis anymore.
Are you saying that all of those people that voted for the new goverment dont have any rights because a small part of the population is engaging in a insurgency? It seems that the majority of Iraqi citizens support the new goverment.


Wait, wait, wait. On day one of combat. What would you call that? Day one.

[Strike4ce]

So you say that citizens have the right to resist US invasions. Okay, so when did they cross the bridge from freedom/resistance fighters to insurgents?

If they have the right to an Islamic government, why did Rumsfeld say that this is not going to happen and that the US will not support this? More freedom on the march, this time with jackboots.

Remember saddam and the ruling baath party were taken out of power, by US forces then a new govermwnt was formed and the majority have accepted this new goverment and even elected their own Goverment officials. WOW!!!! So who is the majority here? Iraqi citizens that support the newly elected goverment that is in the process of enacting a historic constitution that will give citizens of Iraq more rights then they ever had? Or a mixed group of Foreign fighters, pissed off Baath party members, and Sunni muslims who never let Shiites pratice?
Now the newly elected goverment that doesnt want US forces to leave allows and accepts both religious groups to practice their beliefs as they choose.

GEE I WONDER WHICH WAS BETTER? Saddam? Or the new goverment choosen by the people?:add09:

[Ponder]

Wait, wait, wait. On day one of combat. What would you call that? Day one.

The day that all the Iraqi soldiers stood to fight, because they were told they would be shot otherwise. :)


Of course, that didn't last long. Before long the commanders ran off to hide, waiting for their foreign jihadi buddies to assist them in their quest to kill and maim Iraqi citizens.

[Strike4ce]

Wait, wait, wait. On day one of combat. What would you call that? Day one.

Removing Saddam, and taking out the Baath party. Saddam played his cards. He lost. After that steps, were taken to help Iraqis form their own goverment, which if Im correct is right now in the process of enacting a constitution created by goverment officials, who were elected by the free people of Iraq.

[set-it-straight]

Remember saddam and the ruling baath party were taken out of power, by US forces then a new govermwnt was formed and the majority have accepted this new goverment and even elected their own Goverment officials. WOW!!!! So who is the majority here? Iraqi citizens that support the newly elected goverment that is in the process of enacting a historic constitution that will give citizens of Iraq more rights then they ever had? Or a mixed group of Foreign fighters, pissed off Baath party members, and Sunni muslims who never let Shiites pratice?
Now the newly elected goverment that doesnt want US forces to leave allows and accepts both religious groups to practice their beliefs as they choose.

GEE I WONDER WHICH WAS BETTER? Saddam? Or the new goverment choosen by the people?:add09:


Let's see. Vote for people that you do not know. Vote for people who have not even defined a policy. Dude. I am actually tired of dancing with you as you simply can not answer the most basic of questions. This shows that you are stuck and simply do not want to look bad, but no worries. I will let you off the hook. Your silence speaks volumes. I guess by your reasoning, invasion is fine and the people being invaded had better just be thankful for being invaded. More freedom on the march, jack boots and all. Here have a taste of democracy. Bend over and let me introduce it to you.

Thank goodness I do not pay US taxes. None of this is done in my name.

[Strike4ce]

The day that all the Iraqi soldiers stood to fight, because they were told they would be shot otherwise. :)


Of course, that didn't last long. Before long the commanders ran off to hide, waiting for their foreign jihadi buddies to assist them in their quest to kill and maim Iraqi citizens.

Hell, even before the war some of those commanders were talking to the US military, and siding with them, because they ahted SAddam and knew how much of a lunatic he was.

[set-it-straight]

The day that all the Iraqi soldiers stood to fight, because they were told they would be shot otherwise. :)


Of course, that didn't last long. Before long the commanders ran off to hide, waiting for their foreign jihadi buddies to assist them in their quest to kill and maim Iraqi citizens.

So, day one freedom fighters, day two insurgents?

[Strike4ce]

Let's see. Vote for people that you do not know. Vote for people who have not even defined a policy. Dude. I am actually tired of dancing with you as you simply can not answer the most basic of questions. This shows that you are stuck and simply do not want to look bad, but no worries. I will let you off the hook. Your silence speaks volumes. I guess by your reasoning, invasion is fine and the people being invaded had better just be thankful for being invaded. More freedom on the march, jack boots and all. Here have a taste of democracy. Bend over and let me introduce it to you.

Thank goodness I do not pay US taxes. None of this is done in my name.

I have answered all of your questions. You just do not accept the goverment that was elected by Iraqi citizens. I guess thats too bad for you though, you're not an Iraqi citizen.

I have'nt been silent. You're not realistic at all. Saddam was removed from power, and a new goverment was voted in by the people for the first time in history. You choose to ignore it.

[Strike4ce]

So, day one freedom fighters, day two insurgents?

No because from day one it was clear that this was a dictatoship, and the baath party used a heavy hand against the people. Now they have formed their own elected goverment.
You keep ignoring the fact that the insurgency consists of Baath party members, and Foreign Fighters, and sunnis that wanted to control how people practiced religion. They have oppressed the majority of the population for decades. Now the majority of Iraqi citizens have voted and accepted the new goverment. You lose.

[set-it-straight]

I have answered all of your questions. You just do not accept the goverment that was elected by Iraqi citizens. I guess thats too bad for you though, you're not an Iraqi citizen.

I have'nt been silent. You're not realistic at all. Saddam was removed from power, and a new goverment was voted in by the people for the first time in history. You choose to ignore it.


Did the people vote for the invasion? Did they throw the flowers and candy? Or did they try to fight back as they should? They were invaded and no matter how you try to spin it, the US invaded a country illegally. Not once did I ask about elections. You started going that way when I started to ask more pointed questions. I do not care about elections, or freedom on the march. I asked about the justification of defending ones self in the face of an invasion.

Anyway, I have to bounce. Customer meeting tomorrow. Got to build a GSM network, and I have to give a lecture. So you can answer if you desire. If not, we can pick up another topic.

[Stealth]

Hmmm lemme see, I post maybe on a good day 4 or 5 times a day so as far as "total number" of threads I participate in are usually one or two a day.Hdnt posted in the past four days (look it up Tesla) as I was planning a Birthday party and didnt even touch the computer during those days.. I usually AVIOD the pro Muslim, Anti American scumbag threads that you and some of your heroes partake in; see if I actually WAS the troll that many of you think I am I WOULD post in them; trool away; post dick pics and hurl insults while patting myself on the back (sound familar Steath???)
As far as this thread goes, I made an observation and you jumped like a dog on a bone! Its cool, I understand I've damaged your little feeble Muslim machismo and you feeel slighted.Its not my problem but I do understand.
You can go back and re-read every post of mine, yours and the church lady for all I care, I work for a living, have a family and have a ton of better things to do that run around ina little wankfest with "the Man" or SIS or whoever else you'ver teamed up with for the Pro Islamic advertising agency.
So if your done patting yourself on the back and primping like a peacock (ooooh now theres a fair assessment of your prowess eh? Pea-cock? Get it small balls?) Carry on with your propulsion of intelligent debate with this thread that you've so aptly kept on track...as usual....You still make me laugh hirja! :add09:

Personally I think that the picture could have been snapped at a moment when one could misinterpret the whole "body language" thing; like in the middle of a conversation or some awkward moment; like if a few shots had just been fired outside? Its hard to tell if you are not actually IN THE ROOM.Like I said, you are incapable of showing any post in which you discussed an issue intelligently and decently without resorting to insults and name calling.

Extend the timeline to 10 days, if you didn't post enough in the last 3 days but you will still not be able to show any decent posts that you made.

Hence, you are an owned bitch. But if you claim that I am wrong in my assumption, then prove me wrong by showing any post where you discussed any serious issue decently and intelligently. All I ask you is to prove me wrong. If you can't, then be content with your new title, "the bitch."

Have a nice day.

[Stealth]

Stealth's scenario would be more accurate if it were:

China invades US, and Mexicans are flocking to the USA with a goal to convert the country to a strict Christian theocracy, and in doing so, they blow up more innocent Americans than Chinese soldiers.


The insurgents are foreign and they target civilians, so they are not freedom fighters.Contrary to the common misconception, most insurgents are local Iraqis.

[Ponder]

So, day one freedom fighters, day two insurgents?

No, not 'freedom' as a people, but freedom from being shot by their superiors. Day two? No, I doubt there was much of anything beyond organizing and rallying funds from outside the country. Ba'athists had a lot of perks under Saddam, and they aren't too happy about giving them up.

In order for me to consider someone a 'freedom fighter', I would expect them to be fighting FOR freedom. These people are not. The majority of people in Iraq are NOT supporting these people, and know first hand about their so called 'freedom'. That would be freedom to repress, to silence, and to persecute. Why some here seem to support those people is beyond me. I simply can't comprehend it. I've seen their 'freedom', and more importantly, the Iraqi people lived it. I guarantee you the only people who want it back are those who benefited at the expense of others.

Others supporting actions against coalition forces are just conducting their own power grabs, as we see with Sadr. It's obvious that the man's supporters are the young, uneducated people from poor areas that see this guy as some sort of hero. But, how has he made their lives better? He hasn't, and he never will.

[Strike4ce]

Did the people vote for the invasion? Did they throw the flowers and candy? Or did they try to fight back as they should? They were invaded and no matter how you try to spin it, the US invaded a country illegally. Not once did I ask about elections. You started going that way when I started to ask more pointed questions. I do not care about elections, or freedom on the march. I asked about the justification of defending ones self in the face of an invasion.

Anyway, I have to bounce. Customer meeting tomorrow. Got to build a GSM network, and I have to give a lecture. So you can answer if you desire. If not, we can pick up another topic.

Bullshit, you're the one spinning here I have answered your questions. Who has determined this was an illegal invasion? The UN? The corrupt UN that was in Saddam's back pocket? LOL.
Of course a country has a right to defend itself. The thing is though it wasnt a country trying to defend itself from an invasion. It was a evil regime ran by Saddam trying to defend itself. The people of Iraq are better off without Saddam.

[stewey]

Insurgents that are Iraqi and do their best to avoid civilian deaths are not terrorists, and I think they have a legit beef. However, they are the strict minority of the anti-US forces in Iraq.

[The man]

It is not sa simple as many of you here say, we were greated with appreciation from all Iraqis in the begining, but many missteps we did turned a lot of people against us, specially the Sunnis, it was not about them losing power only, yes it is part of it, but we targetted them and gave many others a free pass, we employed many of the other sects and left the sunnis to hustle for food let alone a job.

many of the former SSO officers could have helped us and would have brought the resistance to hault, but we turned them down, the ones that we were able to recruit were of tremondous help, they are professional intel officers and serve any master in charge, we didnt take advantage of it at all, now they are running and organizing the insurgency and regardless what we think of them they are fucking good, they controlled the country under Saddam, so they came control the country now, but because of UBL, we (Americans) have an automatic prejidiuce against the Sunnis which is bitting us in the ass in iraq.

We also gave a huge pass to the Christian minority in Iraq, who were the main minority working for Saddam and they get the benefits of the contract and jobs in iraq, the Muslim community didnt miss that at all.

[Ponder]

It is not sa simple as many of you here say, we were greated with appreciation from all Iraqis in the begining, but many missteps we did turned a lot of people against us, specially the Sunnis, it was not about them losing power only, yes it is part of it, but we targetted them and gave many others a free pass, we employed many of the other sects and left the sunnis to hustle for food let alone a job.

many of the former SSO officers could have helped us and would have brought the resistance to hault, but we turned them down, the ones that we were able to recruit were of tremondous help, they are professional intel officers and serve any master in charge, we didnt take advantage of it at all, now they are running and organizing the insurgency and regardless what we think of them they are fucking good, they controlled the country under Saddam, so they came control the country now, but because of UBL, we (Americans) have an automatic prejidiuce against the Sunnis which is bitting us in the ass in iraq.

We also gave a huge pass to the Christian minority in Iraq, who were the main minority working for Saddam and they get the benefits of the contract and jobs in iraq, the Muslim community didnt miss that at all.

Hustling for food? I don't think so. Everybody has ration cards, and many Ba'athists had more than their fair share. If you don't know about the ration card corruption going on under Saddam, you're either uninformed, or naive.

Sunni doesn't equal Wahabi, and I don't think the American's were purging anything but the Ba'athists. Not all Sunni were Ba'athists, although I'll concede that most probably were if they would have benefited by doing so. I imagine that many joined just for the added economic benefit, and to avoid harrassment.

Lots of contracts going to Iraqi Christians? Any evidence?

[The man]

Hustling for food? I don't think so. Everybody has ration cards, and many Ba'athists had more than their fair share. If you don't know about the ration card corruption going on under Saddam, you're either uninformed, or naive.

Sunni doesn't equal Wahabi, and I don't think the American's were purging anything but the Ba'athists. Not all Sunni were Ba'athists, although I'll concede that most probably were if they would have benefited by doing so. I imagine that many joined just for the added economic benefit, and to avoid harrassment.

Lots of contracts going to Iraqi Christians? Any evidence?

honey, plz, give me a break, I spent 14 months fight this fucking war, dont tell me about it, I was there last week and I know, just to tell you some information to further your lack of insight on Iraq, he also gave them 8 months rations at one time just before the war, food alone dont allow you to rasie a family.

you must understand first and foremost, a man's mental state, he needs to feel like a man, one way is to WORK and be the provider to his family, specially in the Middle East, they were not allowed and that drove them to fight us, I did a lot of reports on this issue as to why the insurgency is growing.

Reference to your Baathist bullshit, we were selective on who was a baathist and who we can work with, if you think for one moment that ALL Iraqis were not baathist, you are clueless.

[Ponder]

honey, plz, give me a break, I spent 14 months fight this fucking war, dont tell me about it, I was there last week and I know, just to tell you some information to further your lack of insight on Iraq, he also gave them 8 months rations at one time just before the war, food alone dont allow you to rasie a family.

you must understand first and foremost, a man's mental state, he needs to feel like a man, one way is to WORK and be the provider to his family, specially in the Middle East, they were not allowed and that drove them to fight us, I did a lot of reports on this issue as to why the insurgency is growing.

Reference to your Baathist bullshit, we were selective on who was a baathist and who we can work with, if you think for one moment that ALL Iraqis were not baathist, you are clueless.

You stated that the Sunnis had to hustle for food, so I addressed that point.

I can't believe that you just stated that all Iraqis were Ba'athists. You're unbelievable.

[The man]

You stated that the Sunnis had to hustle for food, so I addressed that point.

I can't believe that you just stated that all Iraqis were Ba'athists. You're unbelievable.

if you didnt join the baath party, ur kids didnt go to school, u didnt get a job, ur housing was efected, yes they all joined

[SmokedYourDSM]

:rolleyes:

[Ponder]

if you didnt join the baath party, ur kids didnt go to school, u didnt get a job, ur housing was efected, yes they all joined

Lots of things were affected, but still not all were Ba'athists.

[The man]

:rolleyes:
becareful man, I need you to be alive till I visit at least, :)

[The man]

Lots of things were affected, but still not all were Ba'athists.


not in there heart, but on paper and bare minimum they were active to survive

[Ponder]

not in there heart, but on paper and bare minimum they were active to survive

I challenge you to find any shred of support, from a respected source, for the idea that the majority of Iraqis were members of the Ba'ath Party.

From an interview with Walter Slocombe, former director of national security and defense in the Coalition Provisional Authority...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/interviews/slocombe.html


And de-Baathification?

The Baath Party, like any totalitarian party, had a rank structure distinct from other ranks, distinct from your military rank or your bureaucratic rank. And they were things like division leader and cell leader and front leader, and they corresponded to military ranks. The only people who were disqualified because of having been in the Baath Party were people who were in the Baath Party at the top four ranks. Out of a Baath Party membership of well over a million, maybe more, only about 40,000 people were in this category.

Now, people say, "Well, you had to be in the Baath Party in order to have a professional job," which is probably true. But you didn't have to be at the top levels. Remember, there were 11,000 generals. Of the 11,000 generals, only about 10 percent of the brigadier generals were in these top four ranks. It means you could get to be a general in the Iraqi army without having to be that active in the Party.

So those people were excluded from public life. And in addition, anybody who was at the top three levels in the Ministry -- the minister, the deputy minister or the director general -- [anyone] who was in the Baath Party at all, [was] removed. And I've got to say that for the most part, that was also a decision which was greeted with enthusiasm by the people lower down, because as you can imagine, even in relatively technical areas, most of the people who Saddam put in charge were not necessarily the best engineers or the best teachers or the best doctors. They were the ones who were the most politically loyal.

There was a lot of controversy about all these high school teachers who were fired because they'd been in the Baath Party. I like to say that it seems like there were 40,000 people at the top four ranks in the Baath Party, 50,000 of whom are high school teachers. I mean, that doesn't compute. It may well be that at the local level people wanted to get rid of them for good reasons, maybe wanted to get rid of them for bad reasons and use their Baath Party affiliation as an excuse, but that was not part of the policy. And relatively, in general, the sentiment from the Iraqi population was that the Coalition Provisional Authority was too generous to former Baathists, not that we were too hard on them. Obviously the former Baathists didn't agree with this. But that's a different issue.


So why is it that a lot of people we talked to, including your friend John Hamre, say that disbanding the army, de-Baathification, was the single biggest problem?

I hate to sound like a broken record: [W]e didn't disband the army. The de-Baathification was, if anything, regarded by the population as too mild, not too severe. These are people whom I respect. I think on this one they just are trying to find a simple silverbullet-type problem that just doesn't correspond to the facts.

[SCHICK]

My newspaper doesn't run photos that show the other side, does anybody else's?

Sorry to disappoint Ponder.... but there is no other side.

[Ponder]

Sorry to disappoint Ponder.... but there is no other side.

Umm...yes, there is. One of my cousins just got through spending 6 months in Baghdad, and I'll take his word over yours.

I don't know you too well, maybe you were just joking?

[SmokedYourDSM]

Umm...yes, there is. One of my cousins just got through spending 6 months in Baghdad, and I'll take his word over yours.


You'll have to excuse SCHICK....
He's an over the hill guy who thinks he knows everything....

[Ponder]

You'll have to excuse SCHICK....
He's an over the hill guy who thinks he knows everything....

Watch it buddy! I think you're kind of young.....you might very well be calling me over the hill! :mad_01:

[SmokedYourDSM]

Watch it buddy! I think you're kind of young.....you might very well be calling me over the hill! :mad_01:

I was only kidding around with the over-the-hill. ;)
when people say rediculous things, they deserve a rediculous response.


Besides, im 25, but have lived more of life than some of my moms friends.
Age is but a number.

[The man]

I challenge you to find any shred of support, from a respected source, for the idea that the majority of Iraqis were members of the Ba'ath Party.

From an interview with Walter Slocombe, former director of national security and defense in the Coalition Provisional Authority...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/interviews/slocombe.html


And de-Baathification?

The Baath Party, like any totalitarian party, had a rank structure distinct from other ranks, distinct from your military rank or your bureaucratic rank. And they were things like division leader and cell leader and front leader, and they corresponded to military ranks. The only people who were disqualified because of having been in the Baath Party were people who were in the Baath Party at the top four ranks. Out of a Baath Party membership of well over a million, maybe more, only about 40,000 people were in this category.

Now, people say, "Well, you had to be in the Baath Party in order to have a professional job," which is probably true. But you didn't have to be at the top levels. Remember, there were 11,000 generals. Of the 11,000 generals, only about 10 percent of the brigadier generals were in these top four ranks. It means you could get to be a general in the Iraqi army without having to be that active in the Party.

So those people were excluded from public life. And in addition, anybody who was at the top three levels in the Ministry -- the minister, the deputy minister or the director general -- [anyone] who was in the Baath Party at all, [was] removed. And I've got to say that for the most part, that was also a decision which was greeted with enthusiasm by the people lower down, because as you can imagine, even in relatively technical areas, most of the people who Saddam put in charge were not necessarily the best engineers or the best teachers or the best doctors. They were the ones who were the most politically loyal.

There was a lot of controversy about all these high school teachers who were fired because they'd been in the Baath Party. I like to say that it seems like there were 40,000 people at the top four ranks in the Baath Party, 50,000 of whom are high school teachers. I mean, that doesn't compute. It may well be that at the local level people wanted to get rid of them for good reasons, maybe wanted to get rid of them for bad reasons and use their Baath Party affiliation as an excuse, but that was not part of the policy. And relatively, in general, the sentiment from the Iraqi population was that the Coalition Provisional Authority was too generous to former Baathists, not that we were too hard on them. Obviously the former Baathists didn't agree with this. But that's a different issue.


So why is it that a lot of people we talked to, including your friend John Hamre, say that disbanding the army, de-Baathification, was the single biggest problem?

I hate to sound like a broken record: [W]e didn't disband the army. The de-Baathification was, if anything, regarded by the population as too mild, not too severe. These are people whom I respect. I think on this one they just are trying to find a simple silverbullet-type problem that just doesn't correspond to the facts.

Bozos like him read my reports and then republish them, I just cant get into too many things for security reasons, but we employed the man who Saddam called the lion of Basra (Kurd) as the police chief of Kirkuk, I will not post some reporter articles or some clown who makes his living off of guys like me to prove my point, the real issue here is if you can show Im wrong.

The debaathification was the puppy of Chalabi and company, he was the worse thing we did is employ a crook ike him, he is probably one of the main causes that got us in much trouble with the Iraqi population, I met him and I think he is an asshole.

[Ponder]

Bozos like him read my reports and then republish them, I just cant get into too many things for security reasons, but we employed the man who Saddam called the lion of Basra (Kurd) as the police chief of Kirkuk, I will not post some reporter articles or some clown who makes his living off of guys like me to prove my point, the real issue here is if you can show Im wrong.

The debaathification was the puppy of Chalabi and company, he was the worse thing we did is employ a crook ike him, he is probably one of the main causes that got us in much trouble with the Iraqi population, I met him and I think he is an asshole.

Security reasons?! You are the schizophrenic "bozo".

You are everywhere, know everything, have met everybody, work in intelligence, as an interpreter, some sort of medic, do research, work as a civilian contractor, as an enlisted member of armed services.........You are simply a nutter!

[SmokedYourDSM]

Security reasons?! You are the schizophrenic "bozo".

You are everywhere, know everything, have met everybody, work in intelligence, as an interpreter, some sort of medic, do research, work as a civilian contractor, as an enlisted member of armed services.........You are simply a nutter!


THANK YOU! :add09:

[set-it-straight]

Security reasons?! You are the schizophrenic "bozo".

You are everywhere, know everything, have met everybody, work in intelligence, as an interpreter, some sort of medic, do research, work as a civilian contractor, as an enlisted member of armed services.........You are simply a nutter!


Outside of the research part, his background could easily describe many current and ex-military person. Civilians as well. See many people do actually get out of the US and see other parts of the world rather than hear about them.

[Ponder]

Outside of the research part, his background could easily describe many current and ex-military person. Civilians as well. See many people do actually get out of the US and see other parts of the world rather than hear about them.

SIS, I'm sorry, but this guy is totally full of shit.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Outside of the research part, his background could easily describe many current and ex-military person. Civilians as well. See many people do actually get out of the US and see other parts of the world rather than hear about them.


he must also have a teleporter because the other week he was in Bosnia, than somewhere near Israel, next week is Iraq....

When is the MARS TRIP!

[Ponder]

he must also have a teleporter because the other week he was in Bosnia, than somewhere near Israel, next week is Iraq....

When is the MARS TRIP!

I would suggest the newly discovered black hole as his next destination. :)

[set-it-straight]

SIS, I'm sorry, but this guy is totally full of shit.


Ponder-rosa :)

I am not making excuses for him or even trying to put him a positive light. I have known "the Man" for about 3 years now, and he has never demonstrated the capacity to not be honest.

However, I can personally verify that it is possible to travel as much as he said. I put on over 227K flight miles in one year and earned a Lufthansa Senator Card, I also drove my company car 111K miles in the same year. I lived in Germany, worked in Belgium and The Netherlands.

If I were to send you my CV, you would see some things that you too would deem, wow. You did all of this in 10 years?

Just my $.02

[Ponder]

Ponder-rosa :)

I am not making excuses for him or even trying to put him a positive light. I have known "the Man" for about 3 years now, and he has never demonstrated the capacity to not be honest.

However, I can personally verify that it is possible to travel as much as he said. I put on over 227K flight miles in one year and earned a Lufthansa Senator Card, I also drove my company car 111K miles in the same year. I lived in Germany, worked in Belgium and The Netherlands.

If I were to send you my CV, you would see some things that you too would deem, wow. You did all of this in 10 years?

Just my $.02

It's not the travel that gives him away. It's the details. The details are non-existent. Everything he says can be learned from the internet. There are no personal details that you would get from a "witness". He also gives information that is downright wrong.

[The man]

he must also have a teleporter because the other week he was in Bosnia, than somewhere near Israel, next week is Iraq....

When is the MARS TRIP!

Im all over ur ass bitch, I was in Serbia not Bosnia, if u going to talk shit, get ur info right at the very least.

[Ponder]

Im all over ur ass bitch, I was in Serbia not Bosnia, if u going to talk shit, get ur info right at the very least.

It doesn't make any difference. You are saying "was", where are you claiming to be now, for crying out loud?!

[The man]

Security reasons?! You are the schizophrenic "bozo".

You are everywhere, know everything, have met everybody, work in intelligence, as an interpreter, some sort of medic, do research, work as a civilian contractor, as an enlisted member of armed services.........You are simply a nutter!

sorry to see u that way, but I will simply say this, look for my next posting.

soon I will publish my book, and u will understand why I dont get into many details.

[Ponder]

sorry to see u that way, but I will simply say this, look for my next posting.

soon I will publish my book, and u will understand why I dont get into many details.

No details, yet you'll come on a message board and call someone a bitch for confusing the name of one of your many, many destinations. Get real.

With all your travelling, working, and writing, I am completely flabbergasted as to how you can spend as much time here as you do.

[set-it-straight]

sorry to see u that way, but I will simply say this, look for my next posting.

soon I will publish my book, and u will understand why I dont get into many details.


Salaams the Man. Let me know when it comes out. I am sure the Professor would like to know as well. Old school.

By the way, where did Nietzche and his "Bronx" stories go?

[The man]

Ponder I tried to send you an email so u can ponder it for a while and then u will understand. but u do not except emails

[Ponder]

Ponder I tried to send you an email so u can ponder it for a while and then u will understand. but u do not except emails

I'm selective. :)

[The man]

I'm selective. :)


simply ur loss, Set-it, ck ur email, I sent you a picture. it will put an end to this whole session of bullshit.

[Ponder]

simply ur loss, Set-it, ck ur email, I sent you a picture. it will put an end to this whole session of bullshit.

I could send you a picture of Santa Claus. Would you sit up and wait for him on Christmas Eve if I sent you one? ;)

[The man]

ok, what ever, now we are getting childish.

[Mudshark]

I could send you a picture of Santa Claus. Would you sit up and wait for him on Christmas Eve if I sent you one? ;)

You could give the guy a chance to offer his evidence.

And then say it's rubbish, if that's still the case. :)

[The man]

Fuck it, I was his first interrogator and was involved in his capture, I dont talk bullshit nor just sit behind a fucking key board and judge people, I was there and did the job, what did u do?

[Mudshark]

Fuck it, I was his first interrogator and was involved in his capture, I dont talk bullshit nor just sit behind a fucking key board and judge people, I was there and did the job, what did u do?

If that was addressed at me then I wasn't having a go at you or doubting you are who you say you are.

I was asking her to give you a chance to email her as you've requested.

[The man]

sorry trying to upload a picture but too big

[The man]

Set-it,
If u r able to resize the picture and send it to ponder to ponder it, plz do so.

[Mudshark]

sorry trying to upload a picture but too big

Try http://imageshack.us/

[muffin1]

Fuck it, I was his first interrogator and was involved in his capture, I dont talk bullshit nor just sit behind a fucking key board and judge people, I was there and did the job, what did u do?

When your book comes out let us know. I'd be very interested in reading it. I know you were there and saw a lot first hand. Oh and btw, congrats on your Bronze Star. :)

[SmokedYourDSM]

Fuck it, I was his first interrogator and was involved in his capture, I dont talk bullshit nor just sit behind a fucking key board and judge people, I was there and did the job, what did u do?


please tell me you are NOT talking about Saddam... :mad_08:

[The man]

When your book comes out let us know. I'd be very interested in reading it. I know you were there and saw a lot first hand. Oh and btw, congrats on your Bronze Star. :)

thank u, but there is much more to say, and I just dont want to say it before the book, as it will lose value.

[The man]

please tell me you are NOT talking about Saddam... :mad_08:


I will not tell u anything any more just show u.

[SmokedYourDSM]

I will not tell u anything any more just show u.


is your book going to have the word "you" replaced by "u"?

I sure hope u r n0t riting thees buk

[The man]

is your book going to have the word "you" replaced by "u"?

I sure hope u r n0t riting thees buk


no, Im not, as U might know, being able to write well and writting a book is different and I'm usually doing a couple of things that is why I log in and out and write fast and not think about the grammer, just read what I say not how I say it.

[set-it-straight]

Please post the picture.

It will be a slap in the face. DO it!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[SmokedYourDSM]

what, a pictuire of HIM supposedly in Iraq... or with Saddam...?

[set-it-straight]

is your book going to have the word "you" replaced by "u"?

I sure hope u r n0t riting thees buk


Dude, he could easily debunk all the crap you post with one picture just like I ripped apart your "Bronx" story.

[SmokedYourDSM]

post ahead. but be weary.... you may not know of THIS (http://www.itshappening.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6722&page=1&pp=10) train wreck.....
This was of another person "posting pictures from iraq".
Well, when someone shits on our soldiers and makes up a LIE about being there, i dont take to kindly of it.
So, post a picture. post 10. but you better be SURE AS SHIT that you took the pictures, for i will find out... ;)

[The man]

u know Nieatzes,

I had many Jews I work with ask me to do a calender in Isreal, but I will probably end up in jail that is why Im not doing it. the picture is coming. keep ur panties on.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Dude, he could easily debunk all the crap you post with one picture just like I ripped apart your "Bronx" story.


ripped what apart? i KNOW of the bronx school of science you fecking moron.
i was syaing that school is a PUSSY SCHOOL.
its a school of fucking NERDS
its the #1 educational school in all of the US, and no one gets laid there.
they are too busy working on trig functions...
you are such a fucking tool its not even funny! :add09:

[SmokedYourDSM]

post ahead. but be weary.... you may not know of THIS (http://www.itshappening.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6722&page=1&pp=10) train wreck.....
This was of another person "posting pictures from iraq".
Well, when someone shits on our soldiers and makes up a LIE about being there, i dont take to kindly of it.
So, post a picture. post 10. but you better be SURE AS SHIT that you took the pictures, for i will find out... ;)


you sure you want to post pics.

I'm leaving work soon, i'll try and be on later to debunk your shiznit.
cheers :add01:

[set-it-straight]

ripped what apart? i KNOW of the bronx school of science you fecking moron.
i was syaing that school is a PUSSY SCHOOL.
its a school of fucking NERDS
its the #1 educational school in all of the US, and no one gets laid there.
they are too busy working on trig functions...
you are such a fucking tool its not even funny! :add09:


Sound like you were too stupid to get in.

As for getting laid, it's funny that the guys that talk about it the most get it the least, or they get skanks. Which is with you. Rosy and the palms or the skanks. Tell the truth, shame the devil.

[The man]

Now, the reference u used the guy is using the british published pictures, and he is not sitting next to him, here u see me next to him and I reffer you to the pictures I posted on the Iraqi war thread, to make sure it is all the same guy. Hope you buy the book.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Sound like you were too stupid to get in.

As for getting laid, it's funny that the guys that talk about it the most get it the least, or they get skanks. Which is with you. Rosy and the palms or the skanks. Tell the truth, shame the devil.


What a profound lack of humor. I've seen AIDS patients with a better outlook on life than you. You must REALLY be struggling to come up with those no-liners eh?

[Mudshark]

Now, the reference u used the guy is using the british published pictures, and he is not sitting next to him, here u see me next to him and I reffer you to the pictures I posted on the Iraqi war thread, to make sure it is all the same guy. Hope you buy the book.

Do you mind if I ask what model of camera was used for this photo?

[The man]

Do you mind if I ask what model of camera was used for this photo?

That is funy out of all thigs u could have asked, this is the question, I dont recall as it was a government camera I think. By the way, thank u for the resizing ofthe picture.

[muffin1]

post ahead. but be weary.... you may not know of THIS (http://www.itshappening.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6722&page=1&pp=10) train wreck.....
This was of another person "posting pictures from iraq".
Well, when someone shits on our soldiers and makes up a LIE about being there, i dont take to kindly of it.
So, post a picture. post 10. but you better be SURE AS SHIT that you took the pictures, for i will find out... ;)

Nietzche, I like ya dude but you're barkin up the wrong tree.

[Mudshark]

That is funy out of all thigs u could have asked, this is the question, I dont recall as it was a government camera I think.

There is method to my madness.

[set-it-straight]

What a profound lack of humor. I've seen AIDS patients with a better outlook on life than you. You must REALLY be struggling to come up with those no-liners eh?


I guess you didn't get in. Well it is not a school for the common or functional illiterate. Anyway, where else did you live so this fallacy can also be laid to rest. Get it laid, not something that you would know much about. Anyway, I digress. More adventures please.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Nietzche, I like ya dude but you're barkin up the wrong tree.


im not barking up the wrong anything.
If someone on the net who is really a 65 year old man would lie about being a 17 year old girl just to have cyber sex with set-it-straigt, dont you think people would lie about other things.

read the thread i LINKED.
caught him dead in his tracks.

I'll be back to debunk, i have work to do ;)

[The man]

Muffin u got a free book autographed.

[set-it-straight]

It was a Nikon E4300. Color space RGB, Focal length: 12.2, exposure time: 0.016666668, original dimensions: 1600x1200

[muffin1]

Muffin u got a free book autographed.
Thank ya AJ! :happy_08:

[SmokedYourDSM]

It was a Nikon E4300. Color space RGB, Focal length: 12.2, exposure time: 0.016666668, original dimensions: 1600x1200


im assuming YOU took the picture than? How do you know the camera type?

[The man]

Originally Posted by Nietzche
post ahead. but be weary.... you may not know of THIS train wreck.....
This was of another person "posting pictures from iraq".
Well, when someone shits on our soldiers and makes up a LIE about being there, i dont take to kindly of it.
So, post a picture. post 10. but you better be SURE AS SHIT that you took the pictures, for i will find out...



I strongly agree with you about taking credit of others specially in a time of war, if you want to try to debunk me and all that, go ahead, I dare u, but this is real bro, I would not claim something this huge and end up a complete ass, globally.

[SmokedYourDSM]

fuck it, i have "big people" stuff to do, like make a living.

I'm down for some more games after work.

Please, stick around

ta ta :love_02:

[muffin1]

im not barking up the wrong anything.
If someone on the net who is really a 65 year old man would lie about being a 17 year old girl just to have cyber sex with set-it-straigt, dont you think people would lie about other things.

read the thread i LINKED.
caught him dead in his tracks.

I'll be back to debunk, i have work to do ;)

Seriously Nietzche, lots of people who have been here awhile know who the man is.
I have read that thread, and remember when it happened. I'm just telling you thats not the case here.

[The man]

fuck it, i have "big people" stuff to do, like make a living.

I'm down for some more games after work.

Please, stick around

ta ta :love_02:


Hey wait, dont run away mad, just run away. ta ta

[SmokedYourDSM]

Originally Posted by Nietzche
post ahead. but be weary.... you may not know of THIS train wreck.....
This was of another person "posting pictures from iraq".
Well, when someone shits on our soldiers and makes up a LIE about being there, i dont take to kindly of it.
So, post a picture. post 10. but you better be SURE AS SHIT that you took the pictures, for i will find out...



I strongly agree with you about taking credit of others specially in a time of war, if you want to try to debunk me and all that, go ahead, I dare u, but this is real bro, I would not claim something this huge and end up a complete ass, globally.

If it is the truth, than congratualtions. But i know if I had been one of the persons who helped catch Saddam, i would not be hanging around on an internet forum. I'm sure i could think of plenty of BETTER stuff to be doing... i come on here cos sometimes theres no work and im bored as shit, and i get a kick.
but if you are lying, you wouldnt be makin an ass of yourself. like i said, this is an internet forum, no one KNOWS you. you know how many people have gotten insulted, run off, and come back with a new user name and new opinions. plenty. thas whats great about the internet, if no one likes you you can always change your persona.

I'm saying "no comment" at this point, and really do not care all that much.
I'm just really bored at work.
If it is you, awesome, good job.
if its not, than only you know the truth, and youd have to feel pretty guuilty living with it.

I'll be back, i have to make like Peter Jennings and catch some cancer outside, than its back to work.

[SmokedYourDSM]

Most of my aggression has been towards s-i-s, not you the_man.
i had one beef with you, that was the "JEW STOP SCREWING AMERICA" thread because i felt it was poorly titled and made you sound like an anti-semite.

i got no qualms with you, just that cheer-leader who keeps on trying to post on your behalf ;)

[The man]

If it is the truth, than congratualtions. But i know if I had been one of the persons who helped catch Saddam, i would not be hanging around on an internet forum. I'm sure i could think of plenty of BETTER stuff to be doing... i come on here cos sometimes theres no work and im bored as shit, and i get a kick.
but if you are lying, you wouldnt be makin an ass of yourself. like i said, this is an internet forum, no one KNOWS you. you know how many people have gotten insulted, run off, and come back with a new user name and new opinions. plenty. thas whats great about the internet, if no one likes you you can always change your persona.

I'm saying "no comment" at this point, and really do not care all that much.
I'm just really bored at work.
If it is you, awesome, good job.
if its not, than only you know the truth, and youd have to feel pretty guuilty living with it.

I'll be back, i have to make like Peter Jennings and catch some cancer outside, than its back to work.


hey I made 400+ USD so far this yr and counting, I dont need to hang out any where I'm enjoying life bro and doing what I want to do, no mo no less.

[SmokedYourDSM]

hey I made 400+ USD so far this yr and counting, I dont need to hang out any where I'm enjoying life bro and doing what I want to do, no mo no less.

Well, i guess i am a $$ squanderer here, because if my fiance didnt get most of my money( :add09: ) i'd sure as shit be spending it everywhere and not be spending time online on a forum most of the day.
If i came off like an arrogant cocky bitch, let me apologize. I am what i am. And i'm sorry i accused you of not being who you said you were, but this is the internet and MANY falsify claims here, as i have shown in that other thread i linked.
stay good, and start spending some fucking money. in a few years, the USD wont matter cos China is going to rule this world(or the Masonic Zionistic Illuminati Jooz from Planet Zeltoid, whichever first)....


Back to my shitty day job, cheers :add01:

[knightroar]

smoked, AJ has been a member of IH since it's beginning. He is who he says he is. Believe what you wish, but most of the old timers here know him.

[SmokedYourDSM]

If i came off like an arrogant cocky bitch, let me apologize. I am what i am. And i'm sorry i accused you of not being who you said you were, but this is the internet and MANY falsify claims here, as i have shown in that other thread i linked.
stay good, and start spending some fucking money. in a few years, the USD wont matter cos China is going to rule this world(or the Masonic Zionistic Illuminati Jooz from Planet Zeltoid, whichever first)....


Back to my shitty day job, cheers :add01:


and i have appologized and admitted i was wrong. Thats more than we can say for MOST of the cocky bitches on here.(aka Varmint Hunter et al)...

I'm sorry, but i hardly trust anyone in real life, let alone the internet.
Call me a loony, because i am. :add01:

now, BACK TO THIS STUPID EFFIN SPREADSHEET

[SCHICK]

SIS, I'm sorry, but this guy is totally full of shit.

I was only jokin..............really, when ya get to know me I'm really a nice guy :food_04:

[The man]

Well, i guess i am a $$ squanderer here, because if my fiance didnt get most of my money( :add09: ) i'd sure as shit be spending it everywhere and not be spending time online on a forum most of the day.
If i came off like an arrogant cocky bitch, let me apologize. I am what i am. And i'm sorry i accused you of not being who you said you were, but this is the internet and MANY falsify claims here, as i have shown in that other thread i linked.
stay good, and start spending some fucking money. in a few years, the USD wont matter cos China is going to rule this world(or the Masonic Zionistic Illuminati Jooz from Planet Zeltoid, whichever first)....


Back to my shitty day job, cheers :add01:


Im still coming to see you in Tel Aviv, or a lota Beer sheeba to party, dont give me up to the Zogs.

[SCHICK]

Neitzke, I might be an "over the hiller" but I have never seen ANYONE make more of an arse of himself than you. :add09:

[The man]

I was only jokin..............really, when ya get to know me I'm really a nice guy :food_04:

I think she was talking about me, becuase I didnt agree with HER point of view on iraq, due to the fact the she knows a guy who's third cousin's wife was in Baghdad for six months, that made her an expert.

Im sure she is nice, but like my friend from Isreal says, this is the internet and many people talk a lot of garbage and no way to prove it. I dont really blame her, when you read papers published by what I call Tools that live off of people like me, she dont know me or may name that tool is in the Government so automatically he is crediable.

[set-it-straight]

im assuming YOU took the picture than? How do you know the camera type?


You could not be more stupid. I have a Mac PowerBook. It has a program on it called Preview. It can tell you the digital information embedded in photo's. You get dumber by the post.

[Mudshark]

You could not be more stupid. I have a Mac PowerBook. It has a program on it called Preview. It can tell you the digital information embedded in photo's. You get dumber by the post.

This info is typically only in the original photo, not a resized etc version.

[set-it-straight]

Most of my aggression has been towards s-i-s, not you the_man.
i had one beef with you, that was the "JEW STOP SCREWING AMERICA" thread because i felt it was poorly titled and made you sound like an anti-semite.

i got no qualms with you, just that cheer-leader who keeps on trying to post on your behalf ;)

1. Put your aggression on the table dude. If I have initially offended you in some way, and I have reacted towards you in an unwarranted manner let me know and we can address this.

2. After you had your epiphany you and I even exchanged some cordial posts, and a PM or two, but lately you have been following around Strike4ce and throwing the insults and naturally I am not going to take if from you or anyone else.

So there you have it. If you got a problem you can air right here in public or PM me. I got zip to hide.

[SmokedYourDSM]

You could not be more stupid. I have a Mac PowerBook. It has a program on it called Preview. It can tell you the digital information embedded in photo's. You get dumber by the post.


I'm stupid because i don't know macs?

VVoVV U R UUB3R 31337 H4XX0R DUD3!!!!!1111ONEONEONEZ!!!!!!

[The man]

I'm stupid because i don't know macs?

VVoVV U R UUB3R 31337 H4XX0R DUD3!!!!!1111ONEONEONEZ!!!!!!

To be honest, I didnt know it as well, I couldnt even resize my photo, but I was educated on it. I think the tension between the both of you is the main driving force, can't we all just get along?

[set-it-straight]

This info is typically only in the original photo, not a resized etc version.


I got it from the original picture that the Man sent me. He emailed me first to try and resize if for him. As for the image that is he sent, I have no idea.

[SmokedYourDSM]

i had an epiphony, and it sadly went away when I learnt one of my cousins boyfriend has died at the hands of a suicide bomber.
and as i said MANY times.
A) I want two states.
B) I dont hate ALL palestinians, just the millitants
C) I do NOT believe the PLO will ever get Hammas under control.

WHen i say OUTLANDISH things like "oh, we're gonna blow up gaza,"etc etc etc, its only in response to the ANTI-ISRAELI(NOT ONLY ANTI-ZIONIST BUT ISRAELI AS A WHOLE BECAUSE MOST VIEW THE MAJORITY OF US AS CRAZY "IDF STORM TROOPERS") SHIT SPEWED ON HERE EVERYDAY.

I have no problems, but when it comes to people who have NO CLUE about here telling me how MY country should be run.... than there is an issue.

[set-it-straight]

I'm stupid because i don't know macs?

VVoVV U R UUB3R 31337 H4XX0R DUD3!!!!!1111ONEONEONEZ!!!!!!


Stupid comment withdrawn. It was a bit over the top but I think you can see where I am coming from.

[The man]

i had an epiphony, and it sadly went away when I learnt one of my cousins boyfriend has died at the hands of a suicide bomber.
and as i said MANY times.
A) I want two states.
B) I dont hate ALL palestinians, just the millitants
C) I do NOT believe the PLO will ever get Hammas under control.

WHen i say OUTLANDISH things like "oh, we're gonna blow up gaza,"etc etc etc, its only in response to the ANTI-ISRAELI(NOT ONLY ANTI-ZIONIST BUT ISRAELI AS A WHOLE BECAUSE MOST VIEW THE MAJORITY OF US AS CRAZY "IDF STORM TROOPERS") SHIT SPEWED ON HERE EVERYDAY.

I have no problems, but when it comes to people who have NO CLUE about here telling me how MY country should be run.... than there is an issue.


Hey dont complain to me, look at what being said about Islam here, me too I say stupid things in response to stupid posts, but I bare no ill against most people in the world. I do hpe for peace for the both of you, a real just peace.

[The man]

by the way Nietzche, Im a Circassian and we have two villages in Isreal, we are treated very well and with respect. I know the Isrealis are able to be nice, give some land back and make peace. what ya say?

[set-it-straight]

i had an epiphony, and it sadly went away when I learnt one of my cousins boyfriend has died at the hands of a suicide bomber.
and as i said MANY times.
A) I want two states.
B) I dont hate ALL palestinians, just the millitants
C) I do NOT believe the PLO will ever get Hammas under control.

WHen i say OUTLANDISH things like "oh, we're gonna blow up gaza,"etc etc etc, its only in response to the ANTI-ISRAELI(NOT ONLY ANTI-ZIONIST BUT ISRAELI AS A WHOLE BECAUSE MOST VIEW THE MAJORITY OF US AS CRAZY "IDF STORM TROOPERS") SHIT SPEWED ON HERE EVERYDAY.

I have no problems, but when it comes to people who have NO CLUE about here telling me how MY country should be run.... than there is an issue.

Too bad you were not around for the first and second incarnation of IH. I was a staunch defender of Jews against other Muslims. Some of you may remember the Colonel and others that were for the eradication of Jews. I was "virtually" spat upon, and called an apostate by other Muslims because I did not feel that Jews are the problem with the world, so dude. You have no clue about me as well.

As I stated back when you and I were going at, I concluded by saying that "if you took any of the stuff I said serious, then you really have no clue about my intentions or feelings here" (paraphrase of course). The Man knows me from way back. He, the Professor, Ellie, and a few others here can speak of my IH Internet character and they will tell you not once have I ever advocated the killing of Jews.

[Mudshark]

I got it from the original picture that the Man sent me. He emailed me first to try and resize if for him. As for the image that is he sent, I have no idea.

Yes, yours was the same original that I received.

[SmokedYourDSM]

as i said to the man i apologize, and if you wish that apology is extended to you.

I'm at work 8-5 and my boss, who happens to be my dad gives me shit ALL day.
I am probably the edgiest person between 8am and 6pm and what i say should be taken with a grain of salt.....
anyways, time to leave work and grab a beer.
enjoy your day.

[set-it-straight]

Yes, yours was the same original that I received.


Okay and..... Did you have different embedded information?

Hey Nietz, get a Mac dude. I will tutor you. You get mucho cool points from the ladies. I am married but when I bring out my Mac, people come over to look at it.

I will give you a discount on the rates. :)

[The man]

as i said to the man i apologize, and if you wish that apology is extended to you.

I'm at work 8-5 and my boss, who happens to be my dad gives me shit ALL day.
I am probably the edgiest person between 8am and 6pm and what i say should be taken with a grain of salt.....
anyways, time to leave work and grab a beer.
enjoy your day.


have one for me

[set-it-straight]

have one for me


Group hug. You too Mudshark. :)

[The man]

Group hug. You too Mudshark. :)

what did you think of the picture set-it and mudshark?

[Alli]

Now, the reference u used the guy is using the british published pictures, and he is not sitting next to him, here u see me next to him and I reffer you to the pictures I posted on the Iraqi war thread, to make sure it is all the same guy. Hope you buy the book.
OMG, that's really you and Sadaam?? :happy_04: Holy eff!

[set-it-straight]

what did you think of the picture set-it and mudshark?


Cool dude. I tripped the eff out. You are the Man. :) Hey bro, I will probably be down in the Kuwait area in a few weeks. Want to see if we can hook up?

[Lone Star]

Like I said, you are incapable of showing any post in which you discussed an issue intelligently and decently without resorting to insults and name calling.

Extend the timeline to 10 days, if you didn't post enough in the last 3 days but you will still not be able to show any decent posts that you made.

Hence, you are an owned bitch. But if you claim that I am wrong in my assumption, then prove me wrong by showing any post where you discussed any serious issue decently and intelligently. All I ask you is to prove me wrong. If you can't, then be content with your new title, "the bitch."

Have a nice day.
Oh Heavens me! Dear Stealthie what is that, three troll posts in a row?
So You agree with me that the picture is up for skeptical analysis being that the body language isnt in fact totally negative, her head is not down indicating a humiliated and submissive state (something you are VERY familar with Im sure) there seems to be a steady amount of eye contact (indicating that they arent scared or being threatened) Also of note, the Lady does not have her arms crossed which is a display of negative vibes for the most part.The boy doesnt look scared or fearful in the least? The only thing that may indicate a feeling of animosity is the look on the womans face which can be left up to personal interpretation; she could be one the rag (like yourself) or she could be mad at the man of the house or any other multitude of factors unbeknownst to us all.
Name calling? Like Bitch? 3 days or 10 days, you research it all you like, i think you've proven whothe bitch is; YOU.
Now would you like fries with that? Off you go now to round up more lovely pictures of man privates to prove your political forum prowess... :add09:

[The man]

Cool dude. I tripped the eff out. You are the Man. :) Hey bro, I will probably be down in the Kuwait area in a few weeks. Want to see if we can hook up?


if you are coming from Europe, take Royal Jordanian Airlines and you will have about 2 days down in Amman, you will enjoy it. also I have change in palns before I go to Iraq, I might have to fly to Romania next week, see if you can take a train from there.

[set-it-straight]

if you are coming from Europe, take Royal Jordanian Airlines and you will have about 2 days down in Amman, you will enjoy it. also I have change in palns before I go to Iraq, I might have to fly to Romania next week, see if you can take a train from there.


I have to see if the customer will pay for the trip but I have a friend in Jordan. Tell you in a PM. :)

[Spectre]

Stealth's scenario would be more accurate if it were:

China invades US, and Mexicans are flocking to the USA with a goal to convert the country to a strict Christian theocracy, and in doing so, they blow up more innocent Americans than Chinese soldiers.


The insurgents are foreign and they target civilians, so they are not freedom fighters.

Ugh, I'm so sick of reading this crap. This is complete fucking fantasy. It's been proven and reproven here on IH 4643709570 times that the insurgency is homegrown. This statement is backed up by several sources. Need links? Here, read:

Former Baath loyalists (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6304304/)

Sunnis who were dominant under Saddam (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=FT&Date=20050803&ID=5014589)

Army of Ansar al-Sunna aka. Iraqi Sunnis (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L03705876.htm)

Please, stop spreading this disinformation, okay? It's purely untrue. I could keep posting links all day.

[The man]

Ugh, I'm so sick of reading this crap. This is complete fucking fantasy. It's been proven and reproven here on IH 4643709570 times that the insurgency is homegrown. This statement is backed up by several sources. Need links? Here, read:

Former Baath loyalists (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6304304/)

Sunnis who were dominant under Saddam (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=FT&Date=20050803&ID=5014589)

Army of Ansar al-Sunna aka. Iraqi Sunnis (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L03705876.htm)

Please, stop spreading this disinformation, okay? It's purely untrue. I could keep posting links all day.


the former baath loyalists article is a very good article with well informed sources

[Stealth]

Oh Heavens me! Dear Stealthie what is that, three troll posts in a row?
So You agree with me that the picture is up for skeptical analysis being that the body language isnt in fact totally negative, her head is not down indicating a humiliated and submissive state (something you are VERY familar with Im sure) there seems to be a steady amount of eye contact (indicating that they arent scared or being threatened) Also of note, the Lady does not have her arms crossed which is a display of negative vibes for the most part.The boy doesnt look scared or fearful in the least? The only thing that may indicate a feeling of animosity is the look on the womans face which can be left up to personal interpretation; she could be one the rag (like yourself) or she could be mad at the man of the house or any other multitude of factors unbeknownst to us all.
Name calling? Like Bitch? 3 days or 10 days, you research it all you like, i think you've proven whothe bitch is; YOU.
Now would you like fries with that? Off you go now to round up more lovely pictures of man privates to prove your political forum prowess... :add09:
Like I said, you can't prove what you accuse others of. You said my posts are unintelligent and lack substance but when I challenged you to prove it and show any of your posts where you discussed things intelligently and decently, you couldn't do it. While I can show you numerous posts in which I discussed serious issues politely, decently, and intelligently with several posters. However, you can't show that about your own posts. Many people on this forum can vouch that.

Hence, you couldn't put your money where your cunt is. And as such, you have officially been awarded the title of "the IH's bitch". You have been owned boy.

Later.

[Professor]

what did you think of the picture set-it and mudshark?

Wow. Holy Shit.

[set-it-straight]

Wow. Holy Shit.


Yo Prof-baby. Is he the Man or what? What up dude?

[Professor]

Yo Prof-baby. Is he the Man or what? What up dude?

That is something else. I would love to be a proofreader for his book, I was an English major in undergrad.

[set-it-straight]

That is something else. I would love to be a proofreader for his book, I was an English major in undergrad.


Hint, hint. :) I want a copy as well. Old schoolers should get priority I think. What do you say?

[The man]

Hint, hint. :) I want a copy as well. Old schoolers should get priority I think. What do you say?


All the old timers here will get a free first edition copy signed. with my real name :)

[set-it-straight]

All the old timers here will get a free first edition copy signed. with my real name :)


Don" t i know your real name?

[The man]

Don" t i know your real name?
yup u do!!!!!

[set-it-straight]

yup u do!!!!!


My man:)

[Lone Star]

Like I said, you can't prove what you accuse others of. You said my posts are unintelligent and lack substance but when I challenged you to prove it and show any of your posts where you discussed things intelligently and decently, you couldn't do it. While I can show you numerous posts in which I discussed serious issues politely, decently, and intelligently with several posters. However, you can't show that about your own posts. Many people on this forum can vouch that.

Hence, you couldn't put your money where your cunt is. And as such, you have officially been awarded the title of "the IH's bitch". You have been owned boy.

Later.

So again you avoid the SUBJECT of this particular thread to resort to name calling and insults? Im attempting to do so right here amigo but for the past four posts you done nothing but search for the male companionship you so dearly desire..Tsk tsk...
As for your posts that I read yesyerday I actually agreed with most of what you said in the University of Toronto thread (except for you not caring what Western women care about) So should I have busted in and derailed and insulted you merely out of spite? Even though you made a few salient points? It sounds like you DESIRE a tussle for some reason? Must be that peaceful and tolerant nature you obviously exude at every turn.Are you so obsessed with the "c" word because you're not getting any or what?

So anyhoo, back to the subject of the thread, I believe that the open stance, feet pointing TOWARD the soldiers is an obvious indication aside from the other points I've made concerning "body language" that the lady is not threatened by the soldiers.
So.... should I post a funny clever picture of a dangling nutsack in someones face to "Prove my point" as some here at IH are so inclined to do?I mean from your perspective that seems to constitute being right and "owning" someone eh?
You cheecky monkey you! :happy_08:

[Stealth]

So again you avoid the SUBJECT of this particular thread to resort to name calling and insults? Im attempting to do so right here amigo but for the past four posts you done nothing but search for the male companionship you so dearly desire..Tsk tsk...
As for your posts that I read yesyerday I actually agreed with most of what you said in the University of Toronto thread (except for you not caring what Western women care about) So should I have busted in and derailed and insulted you merely out of spite? Even though you made a few salient points? It sounds like you DESIRE a tussle for some reason? Must be that peaceful and tolerant nature you obviously exude at every turn.Are you so obsessed with the "c" word because you're not getting any or what?

So anyhoo, back to the subject of the thread, I believe that the open stance, feet pointing TOWARD the soldiers is an obvious indication aside from the other points I've made concerning "body language" that the lady is not threatened by the soldiers.
So.... should I post a funny clever picture of a dangling nutsack in someones face to "Prove my point" as some here at IH are so inclined to do?I mean from your perspective that seems to constitute being right and "owning" someone eh?
You cheecky monkey you! :happy_08:My honest opinion is that I think you are an intelligent person but at the same time, you find it hard to accept your mistakes and correct yourself when wrong. Furthermore, you are unable to handle disagreement decently and respectfully.

You need to realize that not everyone in this world will always agree with you and just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that person is necessarily wrong or a terrorist. Also, I feel, despite being intelligent, you seem to think out of over 1.2 billion muslims, every single one of them is an evil and bad person. Why? Because you believe Islam is evil so if any muslim holds on to Islam, he/she would have to be evil.

I think for a person of some intelligence, keeping such views is a tragedy. Why become so consumed in hate that you abandon common sense and decency.

I don't think you will be able to openly acknowledge what I said, but I know it will make you think deep within.

Yes, I am a muslim but if you were to actually know me in person, it would never make any difference to you what I believe in. You need to grow up and learn to understand that your perspective is not always the perfect one. Otherwise, you will always have difficulty in life getting along with people around you.

Take care.

[Strike4ce]

SIS, I'm sorry, but this guy is totally full of shit.

Im starting to agree again. I caught him contradicting himself in another thread. Im sure you have seen that thread Ponder.

[Strike4ce]

It's not the travel that gives him away. It's the details. The details are non-existent. Everything he says can be learned from the internet. There are no personal details that you would get from a "witness". He also gives information that is downright wrong.

Also the time spent in each location does'nt add up to the big picture.

[Strike4ce]

simply ur loss, Set-it, ck ur email, I sent you a picture. it will put an end to this whole session of bullshit.

The same picture he sent me.

[Strike4ce]

Fuck it, I was his first interrogator and was involved in his capture, I dont talk bullshit nor just sit behind a fucking key board and judge people, I was there and did the job, what did u do?

Lets go over this again. You claimed to be an Infantryman. You claimed to be a medic. You claimed to be an interrogator and linguist. You also claimed to be a civilian contractor. You did all of this but only spent one tour during the first gulf war and another tour in the current Iraq war. You claimed to have been involved in the capture of saddam and the rescue of Jessica lynch. In a thread I made you contradicted yourself many times. In that thread you stated that you were in the military in Baghdad, then not much further into the thread you claimed you were a civilian contractor? Very puzzling. If you add up all the training that these specific jobs take, its impossible to complete all those tasks in such a short period of time.

[Professor]

It's not the travel that gives him away. It's the details. The details are non-existent. Everything he says can be learned from the internet. There are no personal details that you would get from a "witness". He also gives information that is downright wrong.

There is a person on this board who has met him face to face and can verify the picture. He asked me to meet him for lunch whe I was in town before he left for Iraq, but the times did not work out.

He is legit.

[Alli]

I thought I had read he was soon returning to Iraq as a civillian contractor :confused:

[Strike4ce]

I thought I had read he was soon returning to Iraq as a civillian contractor :confused:

All Im asking him to do is get his facts straight. Im not totally discounting him.
anyways, from the other thread he claimed he was in baghdad? Now he is in Jordan? Or in the states? I also know he said he was in the reserves, and someone else here by PM stated they know for a fact he is just a medic, and tends to exaggerate.

Here is the other thread where some things need questioning.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11383&page=1&pp=10

[Strike4ce]

1. Put your aggression on the table dude. If I have initially offended you in some way, and I have reacted towards you in an unwarranted manner let me know and we can address this.

2. After you had your epiphany you and I even exchanged some cordial posts, and a PM or two, but lately you have been following around Strike4ce and throwing the insults and naturally I am not going to take if from you or anyone else.

So there you have it. If you got a problem you can air right here in public or PM me. I got zip to hide.

Im not throwing insults your way. I only give you back what you give to me. You act as if Im following you around. You definitely have an ego problem. All I have done is entered threads and stated my opinion or stated facts that you cant agree with because it does not fit your agenda. I visit many threads when I have the time. If you hapen to be there spouting off your silly nonsense, Im going to respond, and if you use ad hominem attacks(like you always do) then Im going to respond. Quit your fucking whining.

[Strike4ce]

Lets go over this again. You claimed to be an Infantryman. You claimed to be a medic. You claimed to be an interrogator and linguist. You also claimed to be a civilian contractor. You did all of this but only spent one tour during the first gulf war and another tour in the current Iraq war. You claimed to have been involved in the capture of saddam and the rescue of Jessica lynch. In a thread I made you contradicted yourself many times. In that thread you stated that you were in the military in Baghdad, then not much further into the thread you claimed you were a civilian contractor? Very puzzling. If you add up all the training that these specific jobs take, its impossible to complete all those tasks in such a short period of time.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showt...83&page=1&pp=10 (http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11383&page=1&pp=10)

[Strike4ce]

There is a person on this board who has met him face to face and can verify the picture. He asked me to meet him for lunch whe I was in town before he left for Iraq, but the times did not work out.

He is legit.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showt...83&page=1&pp=10 (http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11383&page=1&pp=10)

[Mudshark]

what did you think of the picture set-it and mudshark?

It's very interesting and I'd love to have the opportunity to listen to someone who has actually met Saddam.

The picture though, as it stands, doesn't authenticate you.

[Mudshark]

May I present the following Seperated At Birth photos.

On the left is the man, on the right is First Lieutenant Eric Rahman (http://www.patrioticapaam.org/ericrahman-2.htm)

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4232/closeup6ba.jpg

[Lone Star]

My honest opinion is that I think you are an intelligent person but at the same time, you find it hard to accept your mistakes and correct yourself when wrong. Furthermore, you are unable to handle disagreement decently and respectfully.

You need to realize that not everyone in this world will always agree with you and just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that person is necessarily wrong or a terrorist. Also, I feel, despite being intelligent, you seem to think out of over 1.2 billion muslims, every single one of them is an evil and bad person. Why? Because you believe Islam is evil so if any muslim holds on to Islam, he/she would have to be evil.

I think for a person of some intelligence, keeping such views is a tragedy. Why become so consumed in hate that you abandon common sense and decency.

I don't think you will be able to openly acknowledge what I said, but I know it will make you think deep within.

Yes, I am a muslim but if you were to actually know me in person, it would never make any difference to you what I believe in. You need to grow up and learn to understand that your perspective is not always the perfect one. Otherwise, you will always have difficulty in life getting along with people around you.

Take care.
Actually a lot of what you said is true.I find it funny that you think I hate all Muslims; I dont.Agree to disagree I guess...
My first post in this thread WAS NOT directed at you for what its worth but it appeared you thought it was, my point was that all Iraqis dont hate the Americans which is a view held by many to be true in this very thread. Its also very sad that no one can get past their hatred for Bush to realize that the soldiers are not there indescriminately raping and pillaging as some would have us believe.It was a sarcastic remark sure, but whatever.I said it and stand behind it. I also thought it fairly impossible to decipher what the lady's mood, motive or mindset was from this snapshot.
My personal perspective is FAR from perfect, and many times I say things to make myself (and hopefully others) laugh. Many many times I log off this site in uncontrolable hysteria ( i crack myself up and some others here totally crack me up) so dont take me so seriously; I dont... :add09:
I used to really get bent outta shape and pissed off bu at the end of the day it wasnt productive and I really felt worse that I did before for my actions.
So I choose humor? sue me.
We can argue till we are blue in the face and what difference will it make? None.
See ya mane. :mad_08:

[Strike4ce]

May I present the following Seperated At Birth photos.

On the left is the man, on the right is First Lieutenant Eric Rahman (http://www.patrioticapaam.org/ericrahman-2.htm)

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4232/closeup6ba.jpg

Hmmm, well this is interesting.

[Mudshark]

Hmmm, well this is interesting.

I can't take any credit. There are moles on IH with more sensitive noses than mine.

[commonam]

I also thought it fairly impossible to decipher what the lady's mood, motive or mindset was from this snapshot.
Thanks for introducing a little common sense into all the speculative sputum on the subject of that photo.

Yes, there's good news every day in Iraq. It just doesn't sell ads. Guess that's the down side of free press in a capitalistic society.

[SmokedYourDSM]

R'uh R'oh Shaggy!

[SmokedYourDSM]

hmm, they do look STRIKINGLY familiar......
and after reading strikes thread...


things that make you go HMMMM


the_man, perhaps you have other personal photos of yourself, say, NON ARMY ones like playing football with your friends, etc. that you can use to clear this up?

[SmokedYourDSM]

halfway through...

"Originally Posted by The man

Reference to what I did, even if I was bullshitting you, at the very least I was there, un like you a shit talker with a key board.

Have a nice life.




Originally by Strike
So you were lying your ass off. I hope everyone starts from the beginning of this thread to read your lies."


this is getting effin classic! :add09:

[The man]

The funny part is that, Cal yank seen me in person and can verify it, but 99% of you must understand how intel works, they think Im stupid and they are banking on my shallow ego to post a recent picture so they file it and keep a watch, have at it boys, I will put my record against any of them any time, Im way cleaner. Strike, who the fuck is that picture ur trying to make look like me, I way better looking.. :)

[The man]

Hmmm, well this is interesting.


STRIKE, plz, if you refer to my pictures about the Iraqi war, you will see in the one I was giving a class that Im an E5 and not a LT, but a dope on a rope wouldnt know that would he?

[The man]

This is an example of the racism that is running ramped in America, the thought of an Muslim American doing a job like this just eats at them, it was not a pure white boy and a goo christian who did it, sorry many Muslims are knee deep i this fight and are helping, think about it, a man like Strike is a deep operative, he can't operate without a guy like me to cover his action as he will be caught, none native, so for every big job going on in the war, A Muslim of some sort is involved deeply.

[SmokedYourDSM]

well, i believe the case is closed.
The defense has rested, and has made a good case.
Did not even use the Chewbaca defense.

Unless the prosecution has any more evidence to offer?

[The man]

well, i believe the case is closed.
The defense has rested, and has made a good case.
Did not even use the Chewbaca defense.

Unless the prosecution has any more evidence to offer?

I would hate to think that I needed to defend myself from people who obviously lie on the internet so they assume all lie. just came back from my writer, I have some more work to do. dam

By the way the so-called prosecution's evidence is sooooo weak, you guys should have tossed him out on his arse.

[SmokedYourDSM]

im not the judge or jury, only the stenogorapher... and a HORRIBLE one at that, i have the spelling skills of a 4th grader.

[The man]

I have many more pictures and even more impressive than that one, at least I think so, but they have faces of others that are still operational and I dont know how to cover the face, I dont want to compromise them as they are friends and buddies.

[The man]

Im not throwing insults your way. I only give you back what you give to me. You act as if Im following you around. You definitely have an ego problem. All I have done is entered threads and stated my opinion or stated facts that you cant agree with because it does not fit your agenda. I visit many threads when I have the time. If you hapen to be there spouting off your silly nonsense, Im going to respond, and if you use ad hominem attacks(like you always do) then Im going to respond. Quit your fucking whining.

This is a private message from Strike, he knows me from the old days, take about contridicting yourself, try being honest with your self.

Strike4ce
Shut yer Cock Holster!!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,564
Hi.

Dude, Im sorry now it hit me. You're AJ1. Very sorry for being a jerk lately some people have been trolling me I thought you were just another poser. Also I want to point out to you that I do not hate muslims or Islam. I hate extremists and terrorists.

Im pretty protective over military members that is why I quizzed you so much. I hope you realize why. Im not jealous or anything. Honestly, I thought you were a wannabe.

[SmokedYourDSM]

lets all have one big giant hug.........


....with a big tittied lesbian.

Oh, and that comment you quoted was towards s-i-s i believe.
Strike was just disputing your mil background, not your "ad-hominem attacks"...

and by the way, what in the fuck is an "ad hominem" attack. EVERY FUCKING BODY uses that god damned phrase, it's more played out than that annoying J. Lo song....... call me uneducated, but me and my boys have NEVER used the words "ad-hominem", lol.

[The man]

sounds like something Batman and Boben would use "ad-hominem attacks"...

[Mudshark]

I have many more pictures and even more impressive than that one, at least I think so, but they have faces of others that are still operational and I dont know how to cover the face, I dont want to compromise them as they are friends and buddies.

Hi The Man,

You've shown us some pretty impressive pictures but, from my own point of view, you haven't established a direct link between the person in the photo's and The Man.

Apparently Cali/Yank can confirm your story - but he's not around. Others have spoken to Cali but have presented no material evidence.

If you really want to prove your authenticity and are prepared to indulge my natural internet scepticism, might I suggest the next picture that you post?

[The man]

Hi The Man,

You've shown us some pretty impressive pictures but, from my own point of view, you haven't established a direct link between the person in the photo's and The Man.

Apparently Cali/Yank can confirm your story - but he's not around. Others have spoken to Cali but have presented no material evidence.

If you really want to prove your authenticity and are prepared to indulge my natural internet scepticism, might I suggest the next picture that you post?


R u kidding me Shark, look at all the pictures I posted Im in most of them, I will not entertain this issue any more, I dont care, read the book and see the rest of the pictures, after coming so close of being killed so many times do u think I need to prove to a fuck like strike or that dumb bitch Ponder who I am or if I did this, naaa not today.

[Mudshark]

R u kidding me Shark, look at all the pictures I posted Im in most of them, I will not entertain this issue any more, I dont care, read the book and see the rest of the pictures, after coming so close of being killed so many times do u think I need to prove to a fuck like strike or that dumb bitch Ponder who I am or if I did this, naaa not today.

That's your choice.

You have posted many pictures of someone but you've not demonstrated a link between you and the person depicted.

I'm sorry if this scepticism is distasteful but I hope you realise that simply posting some photos and saying "this is me" isn't enough proof for many people.

[The man]

That's your choice.

You have posted many pictures of someone but you've not demonstrated a link between you and the person depicted.

I'm sorry if this scepticism is distasteful but I hope you realise that simply posting some photos and saying "this is me" isn't enough proof for many people.


I would have to be some feeeeg to have a picutre of the same guy all over the place, I have them in Cali, Europe, Iraq, training in the army, Jordan, what the hell Mud, should I pop my head thru the screen?

[Strike4ce]

STRIKE, plz, if you refer to my pictures about the Iraqi war, you will see in the one I was giving a class that Im an E5 and not a LT, but a dope on a rope wouldnt know that would he?

The only picture I know of is the Saddam picture, and some miscellaneous pics that dont show anything but religious sites.

[Strike4ce]

This is an example of the racism that is running ramped in America, the thought of an Muslim American doing a job like this just eats at them, it was not a pure white boy and a goo christian who did it, sorry many Muslims are knee deep i this fight and are helping, think about it, a man like Strike is a deep operative, he can't operate without a guy like me to cover his action as he will be caught, none native, so for every big job going on in the war, A Muslim of some sort is involved deeply.

How the hell do you get racism out of this? You tried this in the other thread, and everyone can see that in the beginning I did not know you're a muslim, and when I seen that you were by your own admission, I still did not attack you.
What is this shit about deep operatives? Its really getting deep.

[Strike4ce]

I would hate to think that I needed to defend myself from people who obviously lie on the internet so they assume all lie. just came back from my writer, I have some more work to do. dam

By the way the so-called prosecution's evidence is sooooo weak, you guys should have tossed him out on his arse.

I didnt supply the evidence. Other people are askng questions, and have been looking around. That photo of Eric Rahman was'nt discovered by me.

[Mudshark]

...what the hell Mud, should I pop my head thru the screen?

In essence, yes. That is what I was suggesting a few posts ago.

A photograph showing your face, todays newspaper and a piece of paper with some handwritten words chosen at random from this post would, I believe, provide very credible evidence that The Man is in fact the person in the pictures.

[Strike4ce]

This is a private message from Strike, he knows me from the old days, take about contridicting yourself, try being honest with your self.

Strike4ce
Shut yer Cock Holster!!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,564
Hi.

Dude, Im sorry now it hit me. You're AJ1. Very sorry for being a jerk lately some people have been trolling me I thought you were just another poser. Also I want to point out to you that I do not hate muslims or Islam. I hate extremists and terrorists.

Im pretty protective over military members that is why I quizzed you so much. I hope you realize why. Im not jealous or anything. Honestly, I thought you were a wannabe.

Well, now that I think about it you're not AJ1. There is an AJ1 here. I had you two mixed up. Also your initials match your email but not your award, which I will keep private because of the personal information.

[muffin1]

The only picture I know of is the Saddam picture, and some miscellaneous pics that dont show anything but religious sites.



http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12228&page=2&pp=10

[Strike4ce]

R u kidding me Shark, look at all the pictures I posted Im in most of them, I will not entertain this issue any more, I dont care, read the book and see the rest of the pictures, after coming so close of being killed so many times do u think I need to prove to a fuck like strike or that dumb bitch Ponder who I am or if I did this, naaa not today.

The only reason I questioned you was because you were bragging in this thread.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showt...83&page=1&pp=10 (http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11383&page=1&pp=10)

[Strike4ce]

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12228&page=2&pp=10

Those are the pics Im talking about.

[The man]

How the hell do you get racism out of this? You tried this in the other thread, and everyone can see that in the beginning I did not know you're a muslim, and when I seen that you were by your own admission, I still did not attack you.
What is this shit about deep operatives? Its really getting deep.


it was an example u bozo how many people dont want to see or hear about Muslims doing good things in this war on terror, you just refuse to believe it.

By the way I will not get into it, but I even did much more and in due time u WILL buy my book and read it, just wait.

I dont know how long u been on this site, but Im an old timer here since mid or even before 2003, Profeey and Cal yank (who I met personally) and others here that been here, Im sure even before you.

[The man]

The only reason I questioned you was because you were bragging in this thread.

http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showt...83&page=1&pp=10 (http://www.wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11383&page=1&pp=10)


Im not bragging, and never will, question all u want, I dont view this as a big deal, yes I was involved and did interrogate him, but I strongly feel there are guys specially who I was with, are the real hero of this war, I always said Im an old reservist that was lucky to get this chance to work with such a caliber of people.

I did this when I got pissed from this ponder chick, that is all, and by the way if I want to bragg, I can very easyly, and be on the television circuit for a while specially when his trail comes up, but I will not. I can even make money from it. (remember I was his FIRST interrogator) no one can claim this but me.

[Strike4ce]

it was an example u bozo how many people dont want to see or hear about Muslims doing good things in this war on terror, you just refuse to believe it.

By the way I will not get into it, but I even did much more and in due time u WILL buy my book and read it, just wait.

I dont know how long u been on this site, but Im an old timer here since mid or even before 2003, Profeey and Cal yank (who I met personally) and others here that been here, Im sure even before you.

I've been here before 2003. I've been here before 2002.

[The man]

I've been here before 2003. I've been here before 2002.
Then you should remember me well! no?

[set-it-straight]

I've been here before 2003. I've been here before 2002.


I remember you as well Strike. I had a different username back then as well.

[The man]

What up SIS, hope all is well, did you get that email I sent and were u able to post it here, it is funny, no?

[The man]

By the way, Im having several people work on the analysis of that guy, Ithink Lone Star, where he posted on the thread Islamic apologists, or something like that, it is well written and they changed very little in the hadiath and Quran to make it sound like they want, who ever did it is well informed on the Quran and very clever, but it requires a lot of reading and looking up references, to correct his attempt at changing Islam.

[set-it-straight]

What up SIS, hope all is well, did you get that email I sent and were u able to post it here, it is funny, no?


Salaams my brother. It is too big. I do not think they will allow a 2 meg file. I will PM Ono and see.

[set-it-straight]

By the way, Im having several people work on the analysis of that guy, Ithink Lone Star, where he posted on the thread Islamic apologists, or something like that, it is well written and they changed very little in the hadiath and Quran to make it sound like they want, who ever did it is well informed on the Quran and very clever, but it requires a lot of reading and looking up references, to correct his attempt at changing Islam.


Without going into a conspiracy theory, there was an Israeli site(traced) that had taken parts of the Qur'an and Haddith and changed just enough of them to seem okay to the uninitiated.

[The man]

Without going into a conspiracy theory, there was an Israeli site(traced) that had taken parts of the Qur'an and Haddith and changed just enough of them to seem okay to the uninitiated.


By the way, there is a 1400 yr challenge to all in the world, from God, if you dont believe the Quran was written by me, PRODUCE ONE LIKE IT, many and specially BOB Jones University is working over time to try to meet that challenge, I deployed with a warrant officer working at that school, he is a nutty christian, but over all good guy, we spoke about this often and he told me, I think we will have it soon, this guy can write Classical Arabic, like I never seen, the real old stuff, he was good, but I know they will fail, like all others have failed in the past.

[Lone Star]

LOL you fools are that bad at reading body language? Those people are tense as fuck :add09:

They made that meal for the soldiers becasue they were afaid of getting shot...so they thought it would help them get on the soldiers good side.
Is that why not one of the soldiers is looking at them directly?
I mean tension is an obvious thing when you are with someone who is stressed that you can "feel".The guys dont seem to worried by this quick portrait from what i see.

[Strike4ce]

May I present the following Seperated At Birth photos.

On the left is the man, on the right is First Lieutenant Eric Rahman (http://www.patrioticapaam.org/ericrahman-2.htm)

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4232/closeup6ba.jpg

Well, I ve been thinking about this and the more I look at the photos the more im sure that these two are not the same.
I also have some information that "Theman" sent me that verifies everything he has been saying.
TheMan is "The Man" that he claims to be.

[The man]

Well, I ve been thinking about this and the more I look at the photos the more im sure that these two are not the same.
I also have some information that "Theman" sent me that verifies everything he has been saying.
TheMan is "The Man" that he claims to be.


Strike,

Like I told you in the private message, I will say it to all, I was thinking about this place and u came to mind, I thought you are a MAN of Honor, let me tell all why, I sent him some things that further proof who and where I was and with who, I took a chance and asked him not to publish it, even when it got tense between us, he was true to his word, I'm honored to chat with a guy of ur caliber.

[Strike4ce]

Strike,

Like I told you in the private message, I will say it to all, I was thinking about this place and u came to mind, I thought you are a MAN of Honor, let me tell all why, I sent him some things that further proof who and where I was and with who, I took a chance and asked him not to publish it, even when it got tense between us, he was true to his word, I'm honored to chat with a guy of ur caliber.

Its personal info that I will not divulge. Im honored to be trusted with this, but I urge you to be more discreet, and I dont mean that in a bad way. Just be careful.